Do you side with (((Azov))) or the based Donbass separatists?

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[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don’t know enough about Azov & the so called Ukrainian ‘far right’ to comment on them, but I do believe in the National right to self determination, and seeing the Russians of Donetsk, Lugansk, Kharkov, Odessa, Crimea and other place rise up for their freedom as a people, in the face of brutal government opposition was inspiring.

I do understand Ukrainian’s anger at seeing parts of what they consider to be their country being sliced off, but the fact is that the USSR’s borders were a mess & should have been redrawn much more fairly in 1991. This sort of thing is ALWAYS going to happen in ethnically mixed regions, (and is the reason why foreigners should never be allowed into a country in large numbers).

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If I am not mistaken Russians are in these areas of Ukraine because they were put there by the Soviet Union to undermine Ukrainian national identity.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The exact reverse of those Soviet policies also happened, especially in the early years. Remember there were plenty of non-Russian Bolsheviks.

Historically, the Ukrainians, Russians & even Turkic horse nomads all have a claim to the lands east of the Dniepr, but Russians have been a majority in much of it since at least the last first half of the 19th century