Greek court rules Golden Dawn party criminal organization

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[–]arainynightinskyrim 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (23 children)

Well, this just proves what many of us already thought, we will not be able to win through legitimate democratic elections because the system is corrupt and is actively working against us, the media, the judges, the government and foreign meddlers want to destroy us or cripple us, our parties will be banned like in this specific case or crippled like the case of the AFD.

We will win through radical ways and not through democracy.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

This party wasn't banned until the law ruled their murder and other violence unlawful. They had seats in parliament.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Some members of the party may have committed violence but not all of them, using your logic if a politician of a specific party commits a crime then the party must be declared unlawful and be disbanded which does not make any sense.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I read that it was something like over 60 influential members involved. It’s like saying how can we blame Facebook on the Jews, not everyone leading it/working there is anti-white and Jewish.

6 leaders and 61 other party members:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(political_party)#Declaration_as_criminal_organisation

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The courts claimed that every MP was responsible for unspecified crimes. As for the Jews, they demanded that Golden Dawn was outlawed, and actually one day after the final verdict they visited their puppet to congratulate him. Here are some photos as well:

https://www.iefimerida.gr/politiki/synantisi-mitsotaki-kis-ikanopoiisi-tis-ebraikis-koinotitas

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Really weak analogy. White nationalists don't blame 'facebook' on the jews. That's a strawman of the JQ argument.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Replace Facebook with any anti-white Jewish run organization that has some non-Jews working there, and the analogy works better.

[–]antireddit 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

So are we going to ban the democratic party over multiple violent assaults, riots and murders by leftists/BLM activists they have openly supported, encouraged and protected from prosecution?

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

The majority of the high ranks in the Democratic Party aren’t involved in that, or at least no evidence of such which can’t be said for Golden Dawn.

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

which can’t be said for Golden Dawn

And how do you know what can be said about Golden Dawn? The court ruled that just by being elected the GD MPs were responsible for a former communist party member stabbing someone in a street brawl.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Read the source.

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

The "source" states what the court said, not whether the court decision was legal.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No, it doesn't. You should read the citations as well as the wikipedia article.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24314319

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Are you really that thick?

Let's take this "source" for example:

In recent months, Golden Dawn has been accused of perpetrating attacks on migrants and political opponents - including an attack on Communist Party members earlier this month which is said to have left nine people in hospital.

The attackers were not found and Poulikogiannis claimed they were GD. Poulikogiannis was supposed to be a major "witness" during the trial, making all sorts of claims. You can see who Poulikogiannis is on the left of this photo: https://pic8.co/sh/0Sz1Zq.jpeg

Also on the left in this photo along with his death squad: https://pic8.co/sh/F1msNW.jpeg

And here is the same person at the trial: https://pic8.co/sh/phjcSR.jpeg

So who is the criminal here? And why Poulikogiannis, member of the Communist Party, has never been charged for these attacks?

And here is another of your "sources":

Makis Voridis, a politician with the governing New Democracy Party, told the BBC's Newshour that the police had made the right decision on the arrests.

Here is Makis Voridis carrying a weapon in the streets of Athens: https://pic8.co/sh/od22sL.jpeg

So maybe you should shut up instead of talking about things you know nothing about?

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You're arguing with your eyes shut.

And how do you know what can be said about Golden Dawn?

Some more citations from the article (Greek Sources):

http://www.iospress.gr/extra/xrisavgi-1.htm

https://www.tanea.gr/2006/12/08/sports/article/?aid=4332198

http://www.enet.gr/?c=112&id=34783000

There's just plenty of support that points towards Golden Dawn being a criminal organization. The leaders were found to be involved, that's what separates them from the Democratic Party, there's just so much more evidence the higher ranks are criminals themselves in Golden Dawn.

[–]grocerymannn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you're ruining the obsessive victimhood mentality !!!

[–]asterias 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The party had been denied access to the means available to other parties and was under constant police attack. There was no murder involved, unless you mean the assassination of two of its members by paramilitaries which the state has conveniently failed to investigate.

[–]asterias 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The politicians won't allow any change that will end their corruption. They will create new laws to specifically target any movement they don't like.

GD was distributing food supplies to impoverished Greek families. First, they would forbid them to distribute the supplies claiming that they didn't have a permit (which they wouldn't get anyway) and then they made a law that said that this is racist and they had to give food to illegal immigrants as well.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The politicians won't allow any change that will end their corruption. They will create new laws to specifically target any movement they don't like.

How come that the right is so weak in Greece after the economic collapse and the migrant crisis?

GD was distributing food supplies to impoverished Greek families. First, they would forbid them to distribute the supplies claiming that they didn't have a permit (which they wouldn't get anyway) and then they made a law that said that this is racist and they had to give food to illegal immigrants as well.

And people still vote traitorous politicians like these that prefer invaders? If there was even a little bit of decency these guys would be executed for treason.

[–]asterias 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How come that the right is so weak in Greece after the economic collapse and the migrant crisis?

If by "right" you mean the nationalists, there are a few reasons. Leftists promise a better living and people are ready to take that promise even if that means more "refugees". Also poverty. Nationalists are not part of the system and often live a difficult life, so they can't raise a family or print thousands of posters as the leftists do. People are ready to sell out so they can get a job, as everything is controlled by the political system. In general, people everywhere prefer the easy life.

And people still vote traitorous politicians like these that prefer invaders? If there was even a little bit of decency these guys would be executed for treason.

It's similar to the two party system in USA. There are Democrats, there are Republicans, often there's little difference, but people vote one or another instead of trying a third solution. It's really astounding, but it's the way it is.