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[–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

But are you seriously making the claim that religious groups don't have agency?

No, I'm claiming the religion doesn't have agency.

So Catholics don't ever do things as Catholics in the name of Catholicism?

People can do whatever they want in the name of whoever they want, but it's still individuals doing those things. Do you look at Christian fundies taking Genesis literally and conclude that Christians don't believe in evolution?

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    [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

    But the point remains that when you blame a group for the actions of individuals you're mostly condemning innocent people. You already know this because you don't blame white people as a group when a white person commits a crime, but you have a different standard for judging minorities.

    [–]antireddit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    But the point remains that when you blame a group for the actions of individuals you're mostly condemning innocent people.

    Welcome to 2020 America, where all whites are held responsible for the bad decisions of some blacks. It's you liberals that are peddling the notion of collective guilt. Enjoy the consequences.

    [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    That's not real, the alt right says that to try to drag liberals down to their level.

    [–]antireddit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    What isnt real? That the media and academia portray whites as responsible for black dysfunction or the deaths of blacks that die while resisting arrest? Are you seriously disputing this? Did the past several months not happen? It's such an easy thing to provide examples of, and yet as per usual you play stupid about it just to waste people's time.

    [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    They're not blaming white people though, they're blaming racists and the systems that enable them. The alt right just claims otherwise to derail the discussion and make it look like the left is no better than them in terms of actual solutions.

    [–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    They're not blaming white people though, they're blaming racists and the systems that enable them.

    Could have fooled me. Your interpretation of the headlines and continuous media incitement seems pretty dubious, and I doubt the average black person on the street who is subjected to this continuous media propaganda sees this nuance you claim to see. It is at best highly irresponsible and at worst an incitement to violence.

    You always bring up the alt right, but they're totally irrelevant to all this. Nothing the average person sees or hears in the media has anything to do with the alt right, who have been completely censored by the people who control the media, despite polls showing they number at least 29 million, which is 23 million more than the total Jewish population of the US, a group whose interests and prejudices seem to dominate everything seen or heard in the MSM(including its hatred of anything that can be labeled white advocacy).

    [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You always bring up the alt right, but they're totally irrelevant to all this.

    This is an alt right forum

    [–]antireddit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    So it is, that doesnt mean the alt right plays a substantial role in every problem discussed here, or that everyone here is alt right or agrees with everything the alt right believes, which to be honest isnt rigidly defined.

    So again, on the issue we we were discussing, which is the media continuously stating that black conflicts with police are the fault of white people, the alt right is largely irrelevant. A white person who hates the alt right or is indifferent to it is still held responsible for a black man shot while attacking police attempting to lawfully arrest them, and some have been targeted for violence or harassment solely by virtue of being white, situations which have been encouraged by media rhetoric.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It is absolutely real. Examine the actual theory that is the foundation for ideas like White privilege and it is actually the central assumption that ALL Whites are consciously and even unconsciously involved in a conspiracy to unfairly hoard wealth and influence for themselves at the expense of other groups.

    It's a type of blood libel against all Whites and I'm amazed you're denying that.

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      [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

      Do I blame all blacks for the crimes of one black person? No. Di I blame all jews for the crimes of one jewish person? No.

      I don't know about you in particular, but by their rhetoric and positions most of the alt right absolutely does.

      I want to add one aspect. If some guy commits a crime, I will ask the question "why did he do this?". I will try to find out what lead this guy to commit this act. Here you often find systemic problems and then one needs to ask the question "is our society (or at least parts of it) failing?". I still do not blame everyone for this act, but if you really want to "solve" these issues (or at least reduce these problems), you will have to look at the big picture and not only focus on the perpetrator alone. This brings me back to my original hypothesis, one can not completely separate an individual from his environment.

      You're basically describing postmodern liberalism. You bring up any problem, the alt right solution is generally to persecute some minority group. Take wealth inequality. The liberal solution is labor rights, social programs, and corporate regulation while the alt right solution is to persecute the jews. Same with violent crime, that alt right's suggestion is just to persecute black people.

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

      The liberal solution is labor rights, social programs, and corporate regulation while the alt right solution is to persecute the jews. Same with violent crime, that alt right's suggestion is just to persecute black people.

      Strawman.

      Also stop using the word 'persecute' which implies innocence. Jews are actively waging an all out genocidal assault against most non Jews and especially whites and Christians. Jews deserve everything that's coming to them and more. You reap what you sow.

      [–]Conductive-rabbi 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Preach

      [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      You reap what you sow.

      That you certainly do. You judge other people based on nothing more than you're own ignorance, and now you're miserable because you hate everyone around you and nobody else cares about your opinion.

      [–]antireddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      The fact you completely dismiss his legit grievances shows that people like you just dont get it and never will. Ive seen no evidence he hates everybody, but he is disturbed by clownworld as any sane person with a conscience would.

      Weve seen left wing militants take over part of a major city and patrol it with assault rifles, for weeks, before murdering people(who were black), and getting away with it. That is just one example of many that shows america has way more to fear from the left than the right. They did this with a left wing mayors blessing. If they do that with a “right wing” (zionist funded) president one can only imagine what'll happen when the Oligarch funded “left” take over. We've seen the corporate media repeatedly describe violent riots they helped fuel as "peaceful protests" AS buildings are burning in the background.

      The alt right arent funded by billionaires who are taking over the country. You basically said you're worried Jewish billionaires will be “persecuted”, which shows where you're coming from.

      You are a clownworld apologist, and the crazier things get the more u claim people who notice somethings wrong are evil. I dont agree with the alt right on everything and wouldnt want to see them in power, but right now they are the closest thing we have to a resistance, which is why they have been targeted so heavily.

      [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      I'm not saying America is perfect, I'm saying you just want to persecute people instead of actually fixing anything.

      [–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      America wasnt perfect, but it was better than most places, until you fucks started gaining power. Now your turning it into a failed state. The reason you fear the alt right is because it predicted all this would happen and explained why, and everything they predicted is coming true, and they got persecuted by the self appointed elite that is causing this mess, who are now increasingly persecuting any whites that oppose them. They are hell bent on punishing the white working class they fear and hate. Replacing them wasnt working fast enough so now they are just flat out inciting violence against them while robbing them of a voice through censorship and media consolidation.

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

      No, I'm claiming the religion doesn't have agency.

      The Jewish religion explicitly states it's a matriarchal genetic tribe. Sperma of Abraham. Converting to Judaism is difficult and convoluted on purpose. Your point is moot. Your argument is specious. You knew that though. You're just arguing in bad faith. Please check out the rules on the sidebar. Furthermore, Jews themselves are constantly accusing other religions (many of which are genuinely universalist) of having extreme agency.

      [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

      The points is that it's a disorganized group of separate individuals. They all have different values and priorities.

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

      The points is that it's a disorganized group of separate individuals.

      Another comment totally disconnected from reality. Jews are highly coordinated, funded and organized. Forming organizers, clubs, fundraisers, occultist orgs, cults, fake religions, think tanks, lobbying groups, retreats, and conferences is like their national pastime.

      [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

      That's just an alt right stereotype. Even if it wasn't, they're still seperate people. Christians fundraise too and I don't see you trying to use that as an excuse.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Yes, but Judaism is inherently anti-Christ.

      [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      Jesus is a prophet in the Jewish religion, and he himself was Jewish. You're projecting your own hatred.

      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      No, he is not Hasbara shill. He was the Jewish messiah and tried to help Jews renounce their ways. Most of them did not and crucified him for it. He also preached "The Way," to all the nations and its people. Preach in Israel and you will be stoned and spit on.

      Jesus is a prophet in the Jewish religion

      You are either ignorant or trying to discredit Yeshua. Jesus is NO PROPHET OF MODERN JUDAISM.

      Today's Judaism is anti-Christ. It is modern Pharisaism and Supremacist, ie, your God is ours but he has CHOSEN US; the Divine Jews, who the non-Jews are only born to serve. But we know Christ said that God has grafted new nations and peoples unto the tree of life and dispersed the Jew for they rejected Christ.

      In Christ there is neither Jew, nor Greek nor Roman. Followig Christ is a religion of discipline.

      Christians and Muslims are being subverted and pitted against each other by Jewish Talmudics.

      Islam venerates Yeshua, Chrisians follow him, Jews hate him in all their Holy texts, stating that he is rotting in feces and is in hell.

      Yeshua tried to free the world and show Jews and non-Jews the rightful way of loving and living. Non-Jews; Samaritans, canaanites and even some Jews renounced Judaism and followed "The Way", which is the new covenant of Christ, as the old withered away and died. It is obsolete. For Christ stated that the Pharisees father was a murderer from the beginning.

      [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Ok QAnon, let me know when you're finished your comic book

      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Blocked, for being an overt hasbara shill. You're like the pro-war, anti-Constitution Jewish Zionist Frank Gaffney's of this world rebranding under the pro-Constitution anti-War crowd.

      You discredit your opposition by pretending to be the opposition and laying blame on your own PsyOp, just as long as you can stop others from reading the real truth.

      [–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      That's just an alt right stereotype. Even if it wasn't, they're still seperate people.

      The fact they are individuals doesnt change anything about the issue. Freemasons are individuals as well, but if every major media company was headed by a freemason and they attacked and censored anyone who criticized freemasonry, that would be problematic for the same reason every almost every media company being headed by Jews is.

      For somebody that has spent a lot of time exposed to alt right theory about Jewish power, you seem shockingly ignorant about what the basic claims are, and this ignorance continues no matter how many times you are corrected. You deliberately misrepresent criticisms of Jewish power in order to attack a strawman argument.

      [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Literally this very thread is demonizing jews as a group, anybody dumb enough to be gaslit that easily is already an alt righter.

      [–]antireddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Another point. You are also being intentionally misleading by bringing up catholics. I would be concerned if catholics completely dominated the media as well, but not as concerned as with Jews for a few reasons.

      1. Catholicism is inherently universalist, unlike judaism. Anyone could convert to catholicism tomorrow without too much trouble, unlike Judaism.

      2. There is no nuclear armed catholic ethnostate, unlike with Judiasm, which not only has one, but also has an aggressive lobby in the US pushing the interests of that ethnostate over the wellbeing of Americans.

      3. Jewish identity is also tied to ethnicity, unlike Catholocism. There is no such thing as an athiest, or even agnostic Catholic. There are lots of atheist Jews, sometimes for several generations. Judaism is inherently exclusionary.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Agreed, but the poor Jew, there are not many in the, US would have little to no complicity in the scheme, other than being anti-Christ and perpetuating the scheme unknowingly. For Jews in the upper echelon of society, they act as a collevtive but NOT a monolith for there is plenty of infighting between Orthodox and Hasidic sects. Which Jewish sects have the reigns over politics and banks?

      Of course, usury is fine in Judaism, so that makes it antithetical to Christianity and Islam.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Jews: It's your God but he has Chosen US!