Academia as gatekeepers

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[–]Schwarzenigga 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

You may recall that Nazis sent academics to concentration camps. Authoritarians do NOT want a wel-educated populace. Knowledgeable people will not support authoritarians most of the time. eater_of_gods your comments merely parrot the interests of authoritarians, by making a false claims. Authoritarians want you to argue with people about facts. No, academics are NOT gatekeepers, not in the least. Academics help you with the acquisition of knowledge. What you do with that knowledge is up to you. Students are not in danger of academics. They're in danger of anti-intellectualism and misinformation peddled by authoritarians.

[–]cars 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

This isn't anti-intellectualism; it's pointing out how corrupt academia can be. We already see corruption in academia with universities and researchers accepting bribes and grants from pharmaceutical companies who want to falsely advertise drugs and cover up certain facts about drugs.

If academia was interested in free expression of ideas, they would be okay with entertaining conspiracy theories, no matter how nonsensical, and opinions that differ from those of the universities' benefactors. It's not a good thing that academia is so left-leaning, promotes a single narrative without debate (at least in social sciences and arts), and will offer classes on "kink positivity" and the like. That the quality of research coming out of the education and gender studies departments is so low shows how corrupt and far from truth academia can get.

[–]Schwarzenigga 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It is absolutely anti-intellectualism (and of course anti-left wing, which is part of the point) to demonize all academic activity. What a moronic assumption you've made.

[–]cars 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not demonizing all academic activity. I'm criticizing academic activity that is clearly substandard and corrupt.

[–]Schwarzenigga 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

academic activity that is clearly substandard and corrupt.

Where is that kind of education? Accreditation programs will reject those institutions. (Though accreditation programs in the past 40 years have failed to protect the jobs of academics.)

[–]cars 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If you read any research coming out of the education department, you'll be amazed at how poor-quality it is. Princeton is also offering a class on BDSM that features shocking and pornographic imagery students have complained about having to be exposed to.

https://www.thecollegefix.com/princeton-black-queer-bdsm-course-features-porn-essay-by-professor-arrested-for-theft-from-pro-life-demonstrators/

[–]Schwarzenigga 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Really? That's your example? Princeton? And: can you teach a BDSM course without the inclusion of BDSM images? This is a HIGHLY unusual university course, but it's offered at one of the best universities. Students for this course will get a better understanding of BDSM than they would gather in any other manner, even if they like BDSM. Professions that would would want students to understand BDSM include: psychiatrist, psychologist, therapist, social worker, etc, etc. My guess is that they also try to assess pathologies in a BDSM course. No, it's not a way to enjoy porn. In short: you've not selected a poor-quality course. You've also selected an extremely poor quality, highly biased resource: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-college-fix Moreover - students who took the course as part of their professional traning knew exactly what they signed up for, and they are NOT the ones your right-wing fascist rag know about.

[–]Vulptex 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

anti-intellectualism and misinformation peddled by authoritarians

also known as academics

[–]Schwarzenigga 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

At least try to be logical if you are not knowledgeable. No, academics aren't anti-intellectuals, Vuptex, wtf is wrong with you?

[–]Vulptex 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

They tell you how to think and punish anyone who questions the narrative. A better term for it would be indoctrination.

[–]Schwarzenigga 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Makes about as much sense as tits on a turtle. What you learn at school is NOT related to what you do with that information. You and others are politicizing education for the benefit of GOP Nazis. This is new. Learn in school and out of school, but don't act as though the sources you learn from are controlling your mind. How weak is that?

OLD traditions in learning: grammar, logic, rhetoric, math, geometry, music, astronomy, history

None of that is political, with the potential exception of history, and there is no mind control in any of it.

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

The way school is structured teaches you to always bow to authority and never question it. And that is the real purpose of school, not "learning" which they don't even do any of past 6th grade. I swear each generation is less independent than the last because of this. Even the people running the show have drank their own Kool-Aid.

And yes, they are biased, because in subjects that aren't math they only expose you to the viewpoints they want you to adopt.

The GOP might be politicizing education now, but only because their worst enemies did it before them.

[–]Schwarzenigga 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The way school is structured teaches you to always bow to authority and never question it.

No - the opposite - schools are required to teach critical thinking skills (THIS is what authoritarians DON'T want, wheres they do want you to learn to bow to authority) It's also not the purpose of the school. Perhaps you're thinking of military or church schools, but this is NOT public education. Schools help students learn. That's all.

their worst enemies did it before them.

Absolutely not. Funding for education is better under Democrat leadership because this is how you train an educated society. What you are doing is pushing an authoritarian GOP argument that education is dangerous, while also pushing the nonsense that education is dangerous because it's authoritarian. See how confused that is? It's so far from the reality that the only group of voters who will believe this aren't intelligent, knowledgeable, or good at critical thinking, all three of which one can develop AT SCHOOL.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

schools are required to teach critical thinking skills

Nonsense.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Public school only taught me OBEY. OBEY. OBEY. Critical thinking was punished. And they gave as much homework as possible so we didn't have the time or energy to develop a mind even outside of school.

[–]Bigs 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

WTF are you talking about?

Are you getting mixed up with Pol Pot? And academics are absolutely gatekeepers, creating canons of knowledge just like the religious, and used in the same way to defend and justify government or royalty.

Academics "teach" you that only "qualified" people, using "peer review" (other "qualified people") can determine "truth". It's 100% a selection of gates, kept by gatekeepers, to keep the plebes in the dark and in line.

Government can do whatever it likes, and can just trot out an 'academic' or an 'academic peer reviewed study' to justify it. The entire 'global warming... er change... or extreme weather... er..." movement is a classic example of that, as are the covid attacks on humanity.

[–]Schwarzenigga 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Read about the history of attacks on academics. You've failed miserably at the attempt to claim academics are gatekeepers. You are responsible for your information.

[–]Bigs 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Do you have a peer-reviewed study on the attacks?

[–]Schwarzenigga 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Numerous academics in Nazi Germany were Jewish, and many academics who joined them in concentration camps were not Jewish. It's easy to locate information. Search: academics concentration camps . There were also academics who chose to join the Nazi party. None of these academics (in or out of concentration camps) were 'gatekeepers'.

Authoritarian groups always try to control and/or diminish academic options, because they are the biggest threat to authoritarians. Here is a sample article, albeit not focused on ademics in concentration camps:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/10323732211027621

[–]Bigs 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Well the abstract sez "They exploit original contemporary documents from the school’s surviving archival records, which seem highly valuable in their ability to expose the changing tone in these transcripts, the growing use of Nazi terminology and the rapid adoption of the Nazi doctrine."

So yeah, they just blew with the wind and turned nazi, offering absolutely nothing in the way of intellectual defense, instead they rapidly adopted the doctrines of those in power. Same old, same old.