Ponder this: There are so many violent shows, thousands, of which depict muslims murdering people but flip it; imagine a show, just one, where Jewish Likdnik supremacists murder muslims? A show depicting this would be shunned and would never air.

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

So all those "nice muslims" taking over neighborhoods in Sweden and torching streetfuls of cars in the night are all made up stories? All those "nice muslims" that are preventing non-muslims from circulating in THEIR OWN HOME STREETS and imposing Sharia law everywhere are being kind?

We're conflating a bunch of issues here I think which have nothing to do with religion. When you take in a bunch of refugees from a literal war zone, they come with a lot of baggage and mental health issues, don't you think? I think they pretty obviously do and that plays a much bigger role than anything else with any problematic behavior you may see from people taken in from war zones or who are fleeing desperate situations. When Muslim doctors and engineers immigrate, they don't cause any problems and are productive members of society and they represent the vast majority of Muslims immigrating to the West.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

OK so those muslims aren't savages BECAUSE of their religion, they are simply so, for other reasons, and their religion is just an innocent bystander. It is simply circumstantial that these savages all have that same religion. Color me doubtful.

OK so maybe they are more inclined to violence than most other people... And they happen to be muslim and it's not their fault and it's not the Quran's fault if they take it "the wrong way" because of their proclivity for violence.

Yeah, no.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

It is simply circumstantial that these savages all have that same religion. Color me doubtful.

Well, you also have Jewish savages... and Christian savages. Every group, whether religious or not, is going to have some criminals. You really can't blame the group without a higher burden of proof. We all use Saidit. If a Saidit user goes out and shoots someone tomorrow, are all Saidit users potential murderers? Either way, religion is a very broad phenomenon which crosses racial and ethnic barriers along with even cultural ones sometimes. Religious culture is often localized to various different factors including ethnicity, location and a variety of other things. A Muslim from Canada is going to think and behave very different from a Muslim from Africa and they are all going to think and behave differently from Muslims from elsewhere. Often times, cultural problems are localized to region, ethnicity and a variety of other factors, you can't just boil it down to "Muslims are evil because they have an evil religion".

It is simply circumstantial that these savages all have that same religion. Color me doubtful.

Yikes, I think you've been watching a little bit too much mainstream media for me to get through to you. Like I pointed out earlier, most Muslims who immigrate to the West are doctors and engineers, they contribute to society otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to come. I don't see how that is savagery. I mean I'm still engaging with this conversation respectfully even though I consider it quite insulting. How is that savagery? A lot do come from more poorer backgrounds. For you to think of them as savages is one thing but I think it is unfair to blame religion.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

OK well here's a little kicker for you: I have not absorbed a single piece of mainstream media in... well over 5 years. It might be 10 years, I don't know, other than the occasional, obligatory movie with wifey.

So, let's take an example, this nice 60-year-old muslim with his new 9-year-old wife, that he's going to rape while she screams her head off: https://www.bitchute.com/video/WtSlTnQ83Hq5/

You're telling me his being a Muslim HAS NOTHING TO DO with the heinous crime he's committing? That's only "his ethnic traditions" and has nothing to do with his religion huh? OK, let's say I believe you. Just imagine now that he's a Christian, living in a Christian land. He does the same, because it's "his ethnic tradition". What's going to happen to him?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You're telling me his being a Muslim HAS NOTHING TO DO with the heinous crime he's committing?

Didn't say this, you're putting words in my mouth. Learn to pick up on a bit of nuance if you want to talk about complex subject matter. I said religion obviously plays a role but it is never as simple religion causing these people to become violent. The primary sources, namely the Quran, is just simply not malicious, or is just as malicious as the Bible. Religion also is localized to different regions, this much is fact. Christianity in Africa looks different from Christianity in Australia

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

So what's your "Islam is a religion of peace" explanation for all the little girls forcibly married - RAPED - by their muslim husbands? For the women forced to obey their husbands and forced to cover themselves as if it were a shameful thing to be a woman? Are we doing a "well it's a complex issue, let's not talk about THAT particular one, let's focus on something else"?

Dude, I realize my tone is confrontational. I realize it's difficult to talk with me about these things. But I think if you state your case clearly, we will discover TRUTH. That's worth a lot of trouble, don't you agree?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

When you start ripping the veils off nuns, then you can come tell me about how terrible the veil is when worn for religious purposes. Either way, I don't think it is worth it to keep engaging here, you don't refute anything I say, you just keep throwing more malicious accusations and shifting the goal post. What point is there in responding?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I refute your "religion of peace" argument with evidence to the contrary. Then you reply "well these are complex issues, you have to consider some of these people aren't doctors, they're poor, they have vast ethnic differences" and so on. Who's shifting the goal posts?

I'm posting about a 60-year-old BUYING a 9-year-old wife he's going to RAPE, asking you if he could do so as a Christian, and what was your answer? Hm... That's right, a lot of nothing. Good job. Are you a jewish muslim perchance?

And now you went on the offensive about nuns wearing veils. I think they CHOSE to become nuns, knowing full well they would wear a veil. Yeah, goal posts huh? EDIT: you're comparing a freaking HEAD SCARF to, in many cases wearing something that hides them entirely.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm posting about a 60-year-old BUYING a 9-year-old wife he's going to RAPE, asking you if he could do so as a Christian, and what was your answer? Hm...

I don't know if you know how crime works, but Christians are capable of rape too. That is Arab culture to some extent man, Arab Christians do that too. I am definitely convinced that those practices have a higher correlation with education, wealth and culture. You don't see these problems pop up in the well educated South Asian Muslim populations. Even polygamy has a severe stigma across South Asian Muslims, it instantly leaves you a social pariah and isn't considered acceptable even though it is legally permitted. Once again, a lot of the problematic claims are sourced to apocrypha, in this case about Aisha through her own narration allegedly according to Bukhari. It is important to consider that Shia Muslims do not hold Aisha or her narrations in high regard. Aisha herself was like a massive political leader, kind of like a Benazir Bhutto of her time, and there are concerns among Shias that her supporters used religion as a means to reinforce problematic cultural problems through the Hadith apocrypha.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Arab Christians do that too

Evidence, please. Also yes, there are criminal Christians, who commit all kinds of atrocities. But it's AGAINST THEIR RELIGION to do so, unlike that guy buying a 9-year-old wife.

those practices have a higher correlation with education, wealth and culture

How do you differentiate between those and overall Westernization? It's easy to confuse the two. You would have to have some potent and serious statistical analysis to do so. Otherwise it's just your opinion. So again, please provide objective evidence.

And so now we are discussing the difference between the Shiites and the Sunnis? That's thoroughly besides the topic, and of no interest whatsoever. I'll let you muslims war that out between yourselves.