Ponder this: There are so many violent shows, thousands, of which depict muslims murdering people but flip it; imagine a show, just one, where Jewish Likdnik supremacists murder muslims? A show depicting this would be shunned and would never air.

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

OK well here's a little kicker for you: I have not absorbed a single piece of mainstream media in... well over 5 years. It might be 10 years, I don't know, other than the occasional, obligatory movie with wifey.

So, let's take an example, this nice 60-year-old muslim with his new 9-year-old wife, that he's going to rape while she screams her head off: https://www.bitchute.com/video/WtSlTnQ83Hq5/

You're telling me his being a Muslim HAS NOTHING TO DO with the heinous crime he's committing? That's only "his ethnic traditions" and has nothing to do with his religion huh? OK, let's say I believe you. Just imagine now that he's a Christian, living in a Christian land. He does the same, because it's "his ethnic tradition". What's going to happen to him?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You're telling me his being a Muslim HAS NOTHING TO DO with the heinous crime he's committing?

Didn't say this, you're putting words in my mouth. Learn to pick up on a bit of nuance if you want to talk about complex subject matter. I said religion obviously plays a role but it is never as simple religion causing these people to become violent. The primary sources, namely the Quran, is just simply not malicious, or is just as malicious as the Bible. Religion also is localized to different regions, this much is fact. Christianity in Africa looks different from Christianity in Australia

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

So what's your "Islam is a religion of peace" explanation for all the little girls forcibly married - RAPED - by their muslim husbands? For the women forced to obey their husbands and forced to cover themselves as if it were a shameful thing to be a woman? Are we doing a "well it's a complex issue, let's not talk about THAT particular one, let's focus on something else"?

Dude, I realize my tone is confrontational. I realize it's difficult to talk with me about these things. But I think if you state your case clearly, we will discover TRUTH. That's worth a lot of trouble, don't you agree?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

When you start ripping the veils off nuns, then you can come tell me about how terrible the veil is when worn for religious purposes. Either way, I don't think it is worth it to keep engaging here, you don't refute anything I say, you just keep throwing more malicious accusations and shifting the goal post. What point is there in responding?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I refute your "religion of peace" argument with evidence to the contrary. Then you reply "well these are complex issues, you have to consider some of these people aren't doctors, they're poor, they have vast ethnic differences" and so on. Who's shifting the goal posts?

I'm posting about a 60-year-old BUYING a 9-year-old wife he's going to RAPE, asking you if he could do so as a Christian, and what was your answer? Hm... That's right, a lot of nothing. Good job. Are you a jewish muslim perchance?

And now you went on the offensive about nuns wearing veils. I think they CHOSE to become nuns, knowing full well they would wear a veil. Yeah, goal posts huh? EDIT: you're comparing a freaking HEAD SCARF to, in many cases wearing something that hides them entirely.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm posting about a 60-year-old BUYING a 9-year-old wife he's going to RAPE, asking you if he could do so as a Christian, and what was your answer? Hm...

I don't know if you know how crime works, but Christians are capable of rape too. That is Arab culture to some extent man, Arab Christians do that too. I am definitely convinced that those practices have a higher correlation with education, wealth and culture. You don't see these problems pop up in the well educated South Asian Muslim populations. Even polygamy has a severe stigma across South Asian Muslims, it instantly leaves you a social pariah and isn't considered acceptable even though it is legally permitted. Once again, a lot of the problematic claims are sourced to apocrypha, in this case about Aisha through her own narration allegedly according to Bukhari. It is important to consider that Shia Muslims do not hold Aisha or her narrations in high regard. Aisha herself was like a massive political leader, kind of like a Benazir Bhutto of her time, and there are concerns among Shias that her supporters used religion as a means to reinforce problematic cultural problems through the Hadith apocrypha.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Arab Christians do that too

Evidence, please. Also yes, there are criminal Christians, who commit all kinds of atrocities. But it's AGAINST THEIR RELIGION to do so, unlike that guy buying a 9-year-old wife.

those practices have a higher correlation with education, wealth and culture

How do you differentiate between those and overall Westernization? It's easy to confuse the two. You would have to have some potent and serious statistical analysis to do so. Otherwise it's just your opinion. So again, please provide objective evidence.

And so now we are discussing the difference between the Shiites and the Sunnis? That's thoroughly besides the topic, and of no interest whatsoever. I'll let you muslims war that out between yourselves.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That's thoroughly besides the topic, and of no interest whatsoever. I'll let you muslims war that out between yourselves.

We're discussing Muslims and Islam. It is besides the topic? Okay, sorry for bringing a little bit of nuance to the discussion. Treating all Muslims the same would be like punishing all Protestants for something Catholics did. If you're going to comment on this issue, you should know the difference and why it matters.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

OK but why, they are both muslims. If Sunnis are more violent and Shiites are peaceful, then it remains that you can't call "Islam" a "religion of peace".

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Iran hasn't fought an offensive war in two hundred years. Their religious leadership, regardless of what you might think of them, declared the development of nuclear weapons un-Islamic. They just don't like American interference in their business, which has a long history going back decades. CIA was heavily involved with regime change there and British Petroleum exploited the resources. Prior to the climax of this meddling from foreign forces, Iran was doing pretty well. It was wealthy and an example of religious toleration for its neighbors.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If Sunnis are more violent and Shiites are peaceful, then it remains that you can't call "Islam" a "religion of peace".

I never said this nonsense. Can you not read the words I write to you? Stop putting words in my mouth. Every individual has the capacity to do good or evil, it doesn't matter whether you're Sunni or Shia or Christian or Jewish even.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

OK but why, they are both muslims. If Sunnis are more violent and Shiites are peaceful, then it remains that you can't call "Islam" a "religion of peace".

My point was not a Sunni vs Shia thing. I'm saying, you can't take the opinions of a large chunk of Christians who are Catholic and say all Christians do this or that. Describing Christianity is much more complex than that, religion in general is a much more complex phenomenon. I just wish you'd have the ability to see the same nuance within a Muslim population. The Quran is a very open ended and esoteric book, it contains very little legal pronouncements and many people have different opinions and interpretations.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Evidence, please. Also yes, there are criminal Christians, who commit all kinds of atrocities. But it's AGAINST THEIR RELIGION to do so, unlike that guy buying a 9-year-old wife.

According to the Bible, Mary and Joseph's ages are unspecified. According to apocryphal accounts, Mary may have been "between 12-14" while Joseph was 90. Now that the issue makes sense to you with an appropriate analogy, I'd like to ask you what Joseph and Mary's age has to do with religion at all? I personally have no religious motivation to seek out the ages of these religious figures so exactly through the use of apocryphal accounts. I prefer my primary sources (Bible, Quran, Torah) when discussing religion and I treat apocryphal texts like journalism, it is way easier to twist meanings and narratives over there but it is a necessary part of the canon