IMPEACH TRUMP FOR EXECUTIVE ORDER PROTECTING ISRAEL FROM CRITICISM

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[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Well we know Mossad and the CIA control Wikipedia, so there's that...

Further "democracy" is a loaded bullshit word anyway. Find me a nation where worker cooperatives are more prevalent than capitalist businesses and corporations controlled by the few "boss" men.

[–]sproketboy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

worker cooperatives

Why would you find those more prevalent? They don't work as well.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm just saying "Democracy" is a loaded word.

You spend far more time at work than most places, yet most people don't have democratic work places. They're always dominated and exploited by the boss and or few executives. And those who rule you organize to infiltrate and subvert fair alternatives and solutions - as the FBI and CIA have done through history.

Further, you say, "They don't work as well." By who's measure? "Work" for who? What are the goals of this "work"?

For the group that collectively maintains job security, worthy investments, heart in the game, a say in their workplace, safety, environmental and community responsibility, no fears of being shipped overseas, etc. - it works for them and their families and their communities.

If you mean to pay them the absolute minimal, exploit all the resources you can, and externalize all expenses from polluting the environment to depending on government subsidies and foodstamps to feed your slave wage staff - then I guess it's not "working" the best for you boss.

[–]sproketboy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

By who's measure?

If they worked better than normal hierarchical companies then they would out compete them - but no-one's stopping you from creating your own co-op.

On the other hand the Marxists would prevent normal hierarchical companies from existing. When you get into totalitarian territory you lost the argument.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If [worker coops] worked better than normal hierarchical companies then they would out compete them

Again, "worked" meaning what and for whom? "Normal" meaning what?

For millennia the powers that be have exploited humanity and reinvested it into their own systems. People with money keep it with people with money. Investors in Amazon.com lost money for over a decade - yet now that all the mom & pop shops have closed, Amazon is finally on top as a monopoly.

How can anyone compete with that, work coop or not? You assume the "normal" field is fair.

"Worked" means profits for the few rich executives or the boss? Or "worked" for the employees, families, communities, and environment?

I know no one is stopping me (safe, for now, here in Canada). However, I won't be getting all the perks, subsidies, etc that a "normal" business tycoon would. Insurance, loans, etc ? Forget it. Protection from "random thugs" and unfair competitor practices? Forget it. Access to armies of lawyers? Forget it.

The field is utterly rigged.

On the other hand the Marxists would prevent normal hierarchical companies from existing. When you get into totalitarian territory you lost the argument.

That's not really true. There are 3 kinds of Marxism. Worker coops is one (the only one I fully support). Communists are just like capitalists with some variations - all for big totalitarian governments.

"Normal" for who? You mean communist-capitalist China? You mean SJW America? There is no "normal" and never was. All governments are totalitarian to some degree. There is no such thing as a free market - anywhere. Also, FYI, all capitalist and commie governments are hierarchical - as is the entire corporatocracy - regardless of whether the state or the oligarch control the means of production. That's how "they" and (((they))) fixed it.

[–]sproketboy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"worked" meaning what and for whom?

Meaning a normal hierarchically organized business will out compete your co-op. Which means it "works" for everyone since it's not a zero sum game. When you buy your soy late - the seller wants your 3 bucks and you want the soy late - it's a win-win.

For millennia the powers that be have exploited humanity and reinvested it into their own systems.

Maybe. But it seems you want to hand more power to them in guise of more government.

Investors in Amazon.com lost money for over a decade - yet now that all the mom & pop shops have closed, Amazon is finally on top as a monopoly.

Even if that were the case (it's arguable) - the only reason they can do that is that they can influence bureaucrats to prevent competition. Competition is there by default.

You assume the "normal" field is fair.

If someone makes a more competitive business than Amazon they'll beat amazon. We've seen the same thing forever. 10 years ago leftist were winning about Walmart. Someone can always build a better mousetrap. Happens all the time.

"Worked" means profits for the few rich executives or the boss?

Who took the risk in the first place. Should the floor sweeper be paid the same as the CEO?

Or "worked" for the employees, families, communities, and environment?

It does work for employees & families. It can work for the communities and environment as well.

I won't be getting all the perks, subsidies, e......

Why not? Start a business - it can be a co-op. You'll get the same "magical" perks. You don't know anything about economics do you? I would recommend Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell.

There are 3 kinds of Marxism.

Whatever. It's all cancer.

All governments are totalitarian to some degree.

So why do you want them to control the means of production? Why would you ever want them to have more power?