Amazon to take Parler offline, the third tech giant to deplatform the rising social app in days

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[–]dontbuyanylogos 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

This is actually good news. The more they censor and reveal their totalitarian natures the more reason it is to move to alternative platforms and set up alternative companies with independent servers, underpinned with the value of freedom of speech. It's time to leave these tech giants once and for all.

[–]tabesadff 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

This would be a good time to point people toward ZeroNet, which is a fully p2p alternative to the web, and therefore extremely difficult to censor (it also can be accessed from Tor to get around ISP blocks). I highly recommend checking it out!

[–]dontbuyanylogos 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

wow that's cool I'm been looking for something like this for a while. Thank you!

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

zeronet has a problem with CP.

[–]tabesadff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Sadly, you're going to have that problem with any technology that is censorship-resistant, but that's still not an argument against the use of censorship-resistant technologies. You're also going to see the same problem with services that use end-to-end encryption as well, is that a reason to never use Signal? Also, ZeroNet does allow for moderation of zites, so it's not like there's nothing that can be done about it. Zites that have CP on them are ones in which the owner of that zite has made a decision to allow it, so just avoid those zites. If you're on ZeroTalk, for example, it doesn't even allow anyone to upload images of any kind, so you're not really in danger of running into it even on accident on there (well, people might link to other zites that have it on there, so maybe don't click random links from people you don't trust, which you really shouldn't do on the normal web either).

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

its just the potential for targeted identity destruction by TLAs, who feed you the CP, without your knowledge, and then can seize your machines and find it. Need to be able to completely block background downloading of all site images...

[–]tabesadff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I suppose that could be a concern, but wouldn't that also be something the NSA/FBI/CIA/etc. would be capable of doing to someone through the normal web anyway? I still have yet to see an argument of why any problems with CP or malware, etc. are somehow a bigger problem on ZeroNet than they are on the normal web, and it kind of makes me think that a lot of these things are FUD that's only going to discourage people from using anything that's truly censorship-resistant. It's obvious to me that any platform where the technology doesn't protect against censorship will eventually become just as censored as the rest. Just look at how reddit went from being extremely pro-free speech in its early days to now where it's practically impossible to even have a normal political conversation on there.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Zeronet auto downloads whole sites, not just the bits you are looking at. That's the issue

[–]tabesadff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

That's not necessarily true, there is a thing called "optional files", which makes it so you don't have to download the entire zite. Not to mention, there's ways for TLAs to get people to download images without their knowledge on the normal web too.

Also, I'm pretty sure that would again, only be a problem if you're accessing a zite where there's no moderation against CP taking place. These critiques are maybe applicable to certain specific zites, but I'm not convinced that they really apply to ZeroNet as a whole, just as I don't think the existence of malicious sites on the normal web should be seen as though it was representative of the entire web or a reason to never use any website at all.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

how do you KNOW you are not currently hosting CP?

[–]tabesadff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I mean, you're asking me to prove a negative. How does ANYONE who hosts an ordinary website KNOW that they aren't also hosting CP? TLAs can hack into pretty much anything they want, including ordinary web servers, or whatever device you use, hell, how do YOU know that CP hasn't been planted on your device by the CIA? Also, if they can hack into your email account (not really an "if", they can do that easily), they can use it to send CP to others, so now you're distributing it too! The only assurances that any of us have is that TLAs do have limited resources, so they can't go after EVERYONE, and we're not really interesting enough for the CIA to even bother, and even if we were, and never used ZeroNet even once, they have PLENTY of other tools at their disposal. Fuck, they can even hack into someone's car and assassinate them by causing it to crash. Staying off of ZeroNet isn't going to protect you from TLAs if they're after you, but it will ensure that you're only getting info from websites that these TLAs are allowing to stay up on the normal web.

The only way an ordinary person would reasonably have to worry about unknowingly hosting CP is if they go to a zite that allows images to be uploaded by anyone, and where there's no moderation taking place, and that isn't making use of optional files. So in other words, don't go to places like 8chan, and maybe be cautious of clicking random links from people who you don't trust. Same applies to the normal web too! To me, it really seems a lot of these arguments are basically no different from saying "there's some bad websites on the web, so therefore, stay off the entire web".

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, and just visited a site with CP can land you in prison, since it downloads the files to your PC.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ZeroNet is full of viruses, especially crypto miners.

[–]Trajan 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

California tech doesn’t need to coordinate this. They all think the same way and will follow where any one of them leads.

[–]icebong 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Definitely feels coordinated as we have seen so much censorship from the government this year and also the odds that the top 10 tech companies ban a person at the same time is pretty low. Definitely been given orders.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's all coordinated from Beijing.

[–]Feldheld 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I stopped buying from Amazon for another reason already: theyre one of the biggest profiteers (hence supporters) of the lockdown lunacy. Big business together with the media and social media have declared war on us, the people. Small business is our allie in this war!

Boycott big business wherever you can! If we dont fight now, there will be no tomorrow.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (21 children)

An initial suspension is not that serious. Perler might tbe able to change its approaches and return. Amazon probably benefits from Parler. This is a very good reason to ban a social media platform:

“[W]e cannot provide services to a customer that is unable to effectively identify and remove content that encourages or incites violence against others."

Fuck Parler and others that do this.

[–]LushCanopy 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

They did not care when leftist politicians called for violence during the BLM protests though.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Big tech supported BLM through all the violence. They are on the same side. It's not the violence leftists and big tech object to, its the political positions that bother them. Facebook and twitter were both used by BLM to organize violence.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Because BLM protestors were not asked to be violent

[–]zephyranthes 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

What do you think animals are asking other animals to do when they advertize a riot? Bake cakes and fold origami?

Also, pedophiles and rapists (some with checkmarks) post specific and nonspecific death and rape threats against women on twitter/facebook/tumblr each day. A vast majority of them are allowed to stay up.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Try to be more specific.

Regarding random assholes who hate women and trans people - yes there are many who have social media accounts and are rately suspended unless they are reported to the admins.

Regarding the President of the US, he had 88 million Twitter followers and free publicity in the news media &c that helped him spread tens of thousands of lies, many of which were incitements to violence. He should be in jail, along with Senators and Republicans who have incited violence.

[–]madcow-5 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Philly’s main BLM Facebook group used burning buildings as their cover image to advertise for the May protests that quickly devolved into violence. They were specifically called out for it before it happened and sure enough, violence happened.

The suggestions to be violent were very heavy.

[–]jet199 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You just keep lying and we'll just keep ignoring you.

http://imgur.com/a/yoC6AXI

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You don't know who 'we' are.

You use an image that is not proof of incitements to violence.

Peaceful BLM protests should continue.

[–]jet199 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It's all far more extreme than what Trump has said.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Trump should be tried and hanged for treason.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

See, inciting violence.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Having someone stand trial for treason is not violence. When found guilty, his punishment should fit the crime.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Mostly peaceful riots.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    18 U.S. Code § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government

    Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

    Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

    Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

    If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

    As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 2, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 87–486, June 19, 1962, 76 Stat. 103; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-115

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      This is not about jail. It's about potential lawsuits

      [–]madcow-5 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I wasn’t paying attention to Parler in the last week or two, but when I have looked at it, it’s like boomer tier conservative MSM and tweets from Republican politicians. It’s not exactly /pol.

      [–]FediNetizen 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Parler would be better off just self-hosting. They're more than large enough to have their own servers

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I wonder what the difference in cost would be. It seems Amazon is the cheapest host, and offers other potential protections against attacks and outages, due to its size:

      https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/

      [–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Amazon makes fat profits off of its AWS service. The benefit for bigger users is convenience and easy scaling, but especially for bigger clients you're definitely not saving any money.

      [–]hennaojichan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      She doesn't realize that there are tons of Blacks backing Trump? Well, she is an idiot of course.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      2 tons of them (eg. 20), often positioned behind Twittler at rallies; traitors supporting a traitor

      [–]blue1324 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      TheDonald.win

      [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Durr Durr I am a libertarian and I support this because I believe in freedom and liberty.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      This is a retard level take.

      Jeff Bezos is a peice of shit because (a) he rec'd free televised commercial airtime on 60 minutes in the mid 90's, and (b) after fucking that up needed his connected mommy and daddy to bail out his failure of a company.

      These are the exact same problems most people have with auths except they seek the backing of (c) a political movement in addition to the above, which is even more fuckin' pathetic. America needs more Farmer Astronauts and less Top Guns. Spend your own fucking money and get a fucking usenet subscription.

      [–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      fReE mArKeT

      [–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      well, if people don't recognise history repeating, then they haven't stocked up with unlisted weapons, plenty of ammo and have a full set of alternative identities ready to roll.

      5-10 years of 'purge' incoming. Hope everyone has prepared