‘War crime’: Israel bombs Gaza church (1150 AD) sheltering 100s of displaced people [40+ killed]

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[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Give it a rest dude. It's nice that you feel like you're supporting the Palestinian underdogs. But neither hamas nor the state news agency of their Qatari benefactors are credible sources on this conflict

Hamas says the attack on the Greek Orthodox Saint Porphyrius Church in Gaza City killed and injured a ‘large number’ of people.

They're terrorists.

This is literally the equivalent of "Isis says...."

[–]Death_By_Democracy 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

If the definition of 'terrorist' is that terrorists target civilians, then the IDF and the racist regime behind them are also terrorists.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

Okay good for you dipshit but that's not the dictionary version I'm using.

The major world powers have designated hamas as terrorists.

YOU, if you aren't lying, would designate hamas as terrorists too. Because, they went door to door killing whole families until they murdered over 1400 people to cause terror for political ends. So, if you're not being deceitful, you would also call them terrorists.

The IDF aren't causing terror for political ends. They began an operation after 200 of their citizens were captured hostage. There was no idf bombing taking place on October 5th, because Israelis just get on with their lives (celebrating high holidays, going to movies, visiting relatives) while the terrorists were practicing and planning a pogrom.

[–]cunninglingus[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Okay good for you dipshit

You've already lost any credibility with that statement

The major world powers have designated hamas as terrorists.

And many in the world designate Israel and the US as terrorists. Hence your argument has failed to consider the context.

YOU, if you aren't lying, would designate hamas as terrorists too. Because, they went door to door killing whole families until they murdered over 1400 people to cause terror for political ends. So, if you're not being deceitful, you would also call them terrorists.

Yes, that small group of terrorists. We all agree. They are not excused. They're also not likely among the 4000 who've been slaughtered by Israel terorrism in recent days.

The IDF aren't causing terror for political ends.

They absolutely are doing that, and to take Palestinian land.

They began an operation after 200 of their citizens were captured hostage. There was no idf bombing taking place on October 5th, because Israelis just get on with their lives (celebrating high holidays, going to movies, visiting relatives) while the terrorists were practicing and planning a pogrom.

Is the operation designed to get hostages returned? NO. They're bombing much of Gaza to rubble, killing thousands, attacking healthcare convoys and facilities, and churches. They are NOT trying to get hostages. Face the facts.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

They absolutely are doing that, and to take Palestinian land.

That's demonstrably wrong though.

Witness how Israel was NOT planning a bombing campaign on October 5th.

Let's say the chief of the Israeli air force is in the room, at his desk, looking at a map of Gaza.

We can guess what's going on in his mind by the orders he gives.

If he was giving orders "let's terrorise the Palestinians and ethnically cleanse them" then he would have struck population centers without warning.

If his orders were instead "let's conduct an anti-terror campaign" then the outcome would closer match reality.

Hence by looking at reality we can conclude that his orders were not "let's terrorise and cleanse the region".

Is the operation designed to get hostages returned? NO. They're bombing much of Gaza to rubble, killing thousands, attacking healthcare convoys and facilities, and churches.

They are doing a bombing campaign, yes, for reasons we can talk about if you want.

But your claims about convoys, healthcare and churches are claims made by hamas which you are uncritically repeating.

Again let's look at the evidence. If Israeli defense staff were giving orders like "let's blow up convoys, hospitals and churches" then there WOULD NOT BE any left standing. And yet there are. Even the hospital was left standing. Why? Are the air force incapable of knocking down a hospital, do you think? Or was it perhaps not their mission.

You're mixing terrorist propaganda into your mental picture of what's happening.

It's wrong and you should be called out for it.

[–]brimshae 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They absolutely are doing that, and to take Palestinian land.

That's demonstrably wrong though.

https://saidit.net/s/politics/comments/bog3/israeli_foreign_minister_says_gaza_territory_will/

"Israeli foreign minister says Gaza territory will shrink after war [as has been intended since 1995, if not earlier]"

"Foreign Minister Eli Cohen told Israeli Army Radio that Israel's war aims are not just the total destruction of Hamas, but the country also aims to reduce the size of Gaza. The pronouncement is the most explicit indication yet that Israel will move to annex parts of Gaza, as some analysts have speculated."

The IDF literally said they're going to take land.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Could be either of these things. Your implication is that it is #3. But that's not founded in fact, just your opinion.

1) a politician saying a provocative thing to an angry nation

2) and actual policy shift by Israel in response to their legitimate security concerns and changing situation

3) secretly the devious Jews planned to annex Gaza all along, in the same way Arabs plan to annex from the river to the sea. Even though Israel LEFT GAZA in 2005.

You're certain that his statement is a result of #3, I suspect it's more #1.

Even if it's #2 - and his words reflect a true policy shift - it doesn't mean it will happen - Biden's oval office address yesterday stressed Palestinian statehood.

[–]brimshae 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your implication is that it is #3.

Tell me you didn't read the whole post without telling me you didn't read the whole post.

[–]cunninglingus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've linked to the news, and to updates of the news.

You can critique the reports if you wish.

You're not using reliable evidence in order to make your arguments. You don't know what Israel planned on the 5th. You cannot guess what's in the mind of the so-called 'chief of Israel'. You cannot reasonably argue against the facts in a report by bringing up hypothetical case studies. You cannot assume that the bombing campaign will result in the release of hostages (or indeed their survival). When news is posted, it's done so 'uncritically', as it's merely a link to the news, not a judgement by me. You cannot assume that - because there are some hospitals and churches that have survived the bombs - that no other hospitals or churches were targeted or damaged or destroyed.

None of your arguments are reasonable. Try this: make an argument while linking to the evidence for it. Don't rely on logic, as it's not worked in this case, not at all.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't rely on logic, as it's not worked in this case, not at all.

That's a problem with your emotions and not a problem with logic itself.

Israel is the all-powerful bad guy of your imagination. But, whoopsy, somehow for 70 years they were physically unable to destroy the hospitals and, um, orthodox churches of their enemy 90 miles away.

They had intentions and a goal to destroy all the hospitals and churches. Because the evil Israel of your imagination is an ethnic cleanser who wants to eliminate palestinians. But, darn, try as they might, over like SIX LIFE-OR-DEATH WARS against Israel launched by Arabs, somehow, the Israelis just couldn't wipe out the hospitals and orthodox churches.

Perhaps hospitals and orthodox churches replicate too fast for Israelis to make or receive JDAM bombs.

Let's estimate.

Israel can make or receive delivery of, let's say, 100 JDAM bombs per week for 70 years of 52 weeks, so 700*52=36,400 bunker busters.

Therefore gaza under hamas' leadership has built something like 36,402 hospitals and orthodox churches.

I think that's the logic, which you're saying not to rely on here

[–]Death_By_Democracy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

The major western powers are arming Nazis in Israel and in Ukraine. Their assessment that Hamas are terrorists is cover for their own acts of terror.

If you want to talk about terrorists going door to door to kill civilians, Israel is right there in front of you. Except, they don't just kick the door in - they bomb the entire building, with the civilans still inside.

Of course Israel is causing terror for political ends. That's the whole point of Israel - it's a settler state carved out of someone else's home. The only way it can grow is to terrorise more Palestinians and steal more Palestinian land.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

The only Nazis in Ukraine are the Russian Volunteer Corps. They are aligned with Ukraine and participate in the raids on russia. They are not armed by the west, that's a straight up lie. Their membership is almost totally russian dissidents.

Hamas are terrorists by simple definition of terms. They cause terror for political gain. Israel do not. And therefore by the definition of terms in the English language, you'd need to find another descriptor to "terrorist".

Israel very clearly are working down a target list of terrorist locations, which are often built into civilian facilities as human shields for the terrorists.

Until the hostages are released and the rockets stop, Israel have a legitimate and lawful right to do this, and you'd have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

Israel are still doing roof knocks and SMS warnings to get out. And they're bombing the north strip which was supposed to be evacuated last week. Israel are acting in a way that demonstrates at least humanitarian concerns. If they wanted to wipe out Palestine, there would be a lot fewer Palestinians in the world.

[–]Death_By_Democracy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The IDF are terrorists by simple definition of terms. They cause terror for political gain. Fixed your schoolboy error.

Israel is demolishing civilian housing with the civilians still inside. The IDF use Palestinians as human shields.

"Israel are still doing roof knocks and SMS warnings to get out." LIE

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-10-11-23/h_b213ec9e2882bc819f20cb6a96bcec92

And even if you were not lying through your teeth, 'roof knocking' isn't a good substitute for not targeting civilians

"Until the hostages are released and the rockets stop, Israel have a legitimate and lawful right to do this"

Under International law they do not have the right to target civilians or civilian infrastructure whatever Hamas is, or is not doing. I don't care if you accept this or not.

"Israel are acting in a way that demonstrates at least humanitarian concerns." Utter nonsense. You wouldn't know a humanitarian concern if you were slapped with one.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The CNN link is just going to the generic live blog. So I don't know what you're trying to prove but please quote the section you're looking at.

If a bank robber takes hostages inside a building

And fires rockets at the police out the windows of the building.

Then it's not the police's fault if the hostages get killed in return fire - it's the bank robber's.

It's literally not terrorism for the police to return fire on a building occupied by an active shooter.

It's just infantile. Terrorism is a well-defined phenomenon. And what Israel is doing is not that. Feel free to find another word, but terrorism is not it. Hamas are the terrorists. Israel are carrying out self defense operations that universal law says is legitimate.

I get it - you just want to see Israel not return fire when hamas rockets rain down on Israeli cities. I understand you might have personal reasons for wanting to see that happen. But that's not reality

[–]Death_By_Democracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You seem to be defending a war crime.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Okay big brain, explain what you mean.

If a bank robber fires out of a building at the swat team.

And the swat team return fire, hitting a hostage.

Then who commited a war crime?

[–]Death_By_Democracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This isn't a film. A bank robbery can never be judged to be a war crime.

[–]Death_By_Democracy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Ukraine is crawling with Nazis. They are everywhere.

https://i.postimg.cc/254m3SM0/1vpq9bkcxgxa1.webp https://i.postimg.cc/hjcnmqqc/63f93a4985f5402e490b556e.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/854SBn1W/Screenshot-260.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/pL5PbZZb/Screenshot-321-Copy.jpg

[–]Mastermustard09 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Why do you hate nazis so much?

[–]Death_By_Democracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I hate lots of things. Nazis just happen to be at the top of the list. If you don't understand why, given that you are not 10 years old, I suspect you never will.

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    [–]Death_By_Democracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Go fuck yourself, Nazi.

    [–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    It's not really a valid concern, I understand you have to virtue signal to your team

    But if you were truly against Nazis then you'd be complaining about Marine le Pen, La Liga party, Alternative fur Deutschland, Austrian Freedom Party, Aaron Banks, Geert Wilders, all the multiplex of true European Nazis

    All of whom are russian agents. So it's quite clear how you feel about Nazis. Your concerns are just performative virtue signalling

    [–]Death_By_Democracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Marine le Pen is far right. He father was a probable Nazi. I have no time for any of the others you have mentioned. The idea that they are Russian agents is laughable.

    [–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    They literally all are and we can demonstrate it

    have no time for any of the others you have mentioned

    That's why you're so ignorant. It's all true. If you really cared about the rise of Nazism then you might notice how they're all russian agents

    That's how we know you don't care

    https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2022/04/21/what-are-marine-le-pen-s-ties-to-vladimir-putin-s-russia_5981192_8.html

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/europe/investigation-league-salvini-russia-money-intl/index.html

    https://www.vindobona.org/article/fpo-russia-relations-after-a-year-of-war-in-ukraine

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/17/arron-banks-used-and-exploited-by-russia-court-hears

    [–]Death_By_Democracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You seem to have drunk all the Kool-Aid.

    [–]brimshae 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The IDF aren't causing terror for political ends.

    They're doing it for land, so I suppose that's technically correct.

    Really, they're doing it for the political capitol to get away with taking land, so maybe it's not correct.