Outrage after California bans singing in churches amid coronavirus pandemic - Pastors call Gov. Newsom's order 'completely discriminatory' after weeks of protests

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[–]Canbot 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

They are really ramping up this war on Churches. BLM has literally started standing outside churches, screaming at children as they try to go to church.

The communists are making thier move.

[–]sodomytron 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ppl need to be ready to defend themselves by any means necessary

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (43 children)

imagine being upset over not being able to sing lol

[–]TheKsist 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

The purpose of Sunday worship is for believers to gather together in worshipping and growing in knowledge of our God. It isn't just "being upset over not being able to sing lol". It's being told that our 1st Amendment rights as well as our primary identity as Christians is to take a back seat to a disease that's not as bad as its been made out to be and that nearly everyone has already taken appropriate or over-compensated protections for in an area that the government explicitly doesn't have the right to interfere in.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

you're allowed to keep your identity as a christian. your 1st amendment rights aren't gone either, just wear a mask when in public. while it's true that the virus isn't as bad as the media makes it out to be, it's still present and it's going to stay until people suck it up and deal with the quarantine.

[–]horatioherbert 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't get how you do not understand the values and liberties that are uniquely codified in our Constitution, which millions of men and women have died preserving. The government cannot tell you how to worship, violence aside. Please be aware of your rights or they will be lost; or people like you will just hand them over with a finger pointing at the rest of us. Read and be informed.

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    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

    lmao good luck with that

    [–][deleted]  (11 children)

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      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

      lol

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        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

        man you're a creep lol

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          [–]72ndGender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          It's going to stay, regardless. It isn't going away, no matter what we do. It's in common circulation, and most people that get it, don't even know.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          i know it won't go away, i meant that we need to try to reduce the spread as much as possible

          [–]aThievingStableboy 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

          cavdgs

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          the government is telling us not to sing to stop the spread of the virus. they wouldn't have to still be telling us this if it weren't for the fact that people keep making places large crowded areas and spreading it more. it's not as bad as people are making it out to be, but it still has negative effects for both the short and long term. especially for older people.

          [–]aThievingStableboy 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

          asetaet

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          the government has been trying to stop the protests for a while now. and i don't think any pride parades have happened lately, unless there have been some i'm not aware of. so it's not only christians. imo it doesn't matter what you're going for or trying to achieve right now, it's better to social distance until we can finally leave our houses

          [–]aThievingStableboy 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

          aetsase

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          didn't know about that one. where i live protests have been getting shut down for the most part

          [–]aThievingStableboy 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          asetadg

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          i don't think many have been due to covid, most of them were because of violence and damage of property. i think there weren't more than 3 that were shut down due to the virus. so you've got me there actually.

          [–]aThievingStableboy 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          setaset

          [–]King_Brutus 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

          Singing in churches

          HARAM! YOURE GOING TO SPREAD COVID INTO THE AIR

          mass gathering in protests constantly shouting

          Hey it's their right to protest man, it's not even proven that large crowds spread COVID

          protest at capitol

          FUCKING REEEEPUBLIKKANS ARE GOING TO SPREAD COVID AND KILL THIS COUNTRY

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          i never said i agreed with the protests

          [–]King_Brutus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          No but it was flippant towards people being upset over being told how to worship when there are mass protests going on that are actually being encouraged by governments that have exponentially more chances to spread COVID than singing does. My point is why is one allowed but the other isn't?

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          i wish i knew too. the protests really shouldn't be going on right now and they're just gonna extend quarantine. i get wanting to worship how you want to, but you simply can't right now. the same goes for the protestors, they act like they're better than quarantine protestors when they're just doing the same thing for a different cause.

          [–]King_Brutus 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          The frustration comes from taking a hard line against a relatively small group of people worshipping where you can easily control for distancing and safety, vs governments being very limp dicked about any sort of enforcement of social distancing in protests and instead of disavowing them they are encouraged.

          [–]gen_0 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

          yeah on one hand i think they're idiots for getting butthurt over this. on the other, they're gonna kill each other (especially the boomers) doing it, so i fully support their cause lol

          [–]aThievingStableboy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          aset

          [–]gen_0 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          yeah and think about the demographics of people belligerently showing up to sing shitty pop songs evangelical hymns

          [–]aThievingStableboy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          asteste

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          yeah exactly no need to get so upset over something so trivial lol. though i don't think they deserve death for being ignorant

          [–]gen_0 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          nice thing about about dying from a virus is that deserving has nothing to do with it. it will just happen.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          true, they'll just get extremely ill or die from their own stubbornness lol

          [–]sodomytron 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

          noone's coming down to your place of worship (bathhouse) and knocking the aids riddled cock out of your ass

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          bro what

          [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Never forget that Newsom's winery was open July 4 weekend, but he closed the beaches, lol

          [–]NorfolkTerrier 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          I can't believe none of these restrictions on religion have been struck down yet. Free exercise + freedom of assembly, should be open and shut. Yet states ordered churches shut while liquor stores and abortion clinics were ruled "essential," and even now they can come up with whatever ridiculous restrictions they want and no one does anything about it.

          My church (not in CA) reopened last Sunday and it was honestly bad enough with all the self-imposed restrictions our board came up with. Can't imagine how much worse it would be with government meddling.

          [–]Fuckyoucensorship 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Was your church prevented from holding online meetings? I'm assuming it wasn't and I refuse to believe no one in the entirety of your church understands how to work a computer in this day and age. Seeing as you're here that makes at least 1.

          Also is your argument that church is "essential" if so how? What can't it do online that it can do in person? Is it giving out food? Water? Shelter? And if you want to argue that it is an essential business then it should revoke all rights it has as a religious Institute and operate as a buisness.

          I'm not saying abortion is essential mind you. Nor am I saying liquor is, however claiming church is "essential" and has a right to meet despite what was going on is hilarious as there is no reason you can't hold church over the computer. Televangelists, radio evangelists and pastor's put their messages up on youtube all the time.

          [–]NorfolkTerrier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          A lot of low-income elderly people are frequent churchgoers, and they don't always have internet or computers. Many churches also minister to the homeless and other vulnerable communities, again many of which do not have a way to view online services. Saying "just use the computer lol" isn't going to cut it for everyone.

          Personally I don't think watching a video is the same as going to church anyway, the in-person participatory aspect is key to worship. That's setting aside direct community aid like you mentioned. It's okay if you disagree, but it shouldn't matter what we think, since the First Amendment guarantees freedom of assembly and religious exercise. If the government can decide that letting people watch a Facebook stream counts as fulfilling the obligation to religious freedom, I'm not sure religious freedom means anything at all. You could shut it down for any reason at that point.

          For the record I don't think it's the government's job to shut down liquor stores either. Just pointing out how skewed the priorities have gotten. I also think churches should take precautions that are appropriate for them.

          [–]GST893 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          This and other edicts like it are a full frontal assault on MUSIC! They need to destroy music due to it's exceptional power of UNIFICATION! These tactics will FAIL and will only serve to make us stronger in our resistance to this global totalitarianism that is being ushered in under the guise of keeping people safe from yet ANOTHER BOOGIE MAN. DEATH TO THE NWO!

          [–]christine_grab 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I am late to the party on this one, but here is a petition to recall Newsom. It is a real petition, meaning if it gets enough signatures, it will be on the ballot: https://recallgavin2020.com Californians. please download, sign and mail in. Non-Californians, please share the link with your CA peeps.

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          it is, they dont want people believing in anything other than what they want.

          [–]calmbluejay[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          That's for sure

          [–]Scrubjay 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          Arguing that one can simply replace in-person worship and church with online meeting and viewing apps (Zoom, Facebook, YouTube, etc) is like arguing that eating real food can be replaced by eating printed pics of oranges and bacon instead.

          [–]calmbluejay[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          You're right

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          Looks like we have communists on our hands