Gay men aren't allowed to ask about HIV status because it's mean

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[–]ClassroomPast6178 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

There’s so much retardation around HIV, sexually transmitted infections and gay men that this shit doesn’t surprise me.

In fact I bet, I fucking bet, that the manufacturer of PrEP is behind this because it would be a major sales driver if you stigmatise checking whether your potential partner is HIV+.

The manufacturers of PrEP funded all the HIV charities in the UK and subsequently they all campaigned for PrEP to be given out on the NHS. Let that sink in, the all campaigned for tax money to be used so gay dudes could have promiscuous unsafe sex (and then everyone was pikachu-faced when rates of gonorrhoea and syphilis went through the roof and Monkeypox ran wild).

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's really stupid, this PSA goes along how most of them do "don't ask about AIDS it hurts my fee fees"

Like why the fuck would you care about hurting the feelings of someone who is going to infect you with a pretty serious disease? The real "dick" move is anyone who knows they have HIV going around spreading it to unknowing people.

I'd just fucking ask anyway and if someone gets mad and calls you mean for asking you know for sure they either have HIV or will soon get it because they are retarded.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a good point about pharma but it only explains the public advertising part. The oldest argument I can remember was around 2000-2005 with some self described HIV advocate who argued against the concept of criminally charging people who knowingly have HIV but hide it from partners. I thought it was going to be "criminalization is too much" but nooo that person went all the way to the person should never need to tell anyone.

The argument was that requiring disclosure of HIV status would cause people to stop getting tested because they could get away with plausible deniability of not knowing since the criminality was centered around knowingly transmitting.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The thing that gets me about that PrEP stuff is that everyone is acting like it's a surefire, never-fail, silver bullet treatment. We can't even get contraceptives that are 100% all the time--and we're a damned sight more experienced there--but you're going act like this shit has absolutely no chance of ever not working and just go raw with no further consideration?

[–]ClassroomPast6178 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It’s 99% effective at preventing sexual transmission of HIV, which is good enough apparently for people to raw dog it at orgies.

Chemsex, unchecked promiscuity, orgies and PrEP were the unspoken reasons why Monkeypox was a problem. And at the height of the Monkeypox outbreak they were worried about stigmatising gays and people thinking the name of the virus was racist. At no point did any public health organisation just tell the gays to knock the random hookups on the head for six months, they even tried to hide how it was spreading only amongst the gay community and that it was spreading primarily through sex (never forget the medical journal article claiming sore dicks and swollen anuses were new monkeypox symptoms, never forget).

The establishment has become so afraid of offending particular minorities that they will actively cover shit up even when the cover ups are 100% retarded, and worse still, the media is 100% on board with it.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Monkeypox, that's one I haven't heard of in awhile. The various media outlets really did an outstanding job of burying that, didn't they? While at the same time pounding the Covid drum nice and hard, of course.

[–]xoenix 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Disappeared pretty quickly after it became too obvious that it was only transmitted by gay sex, and the awkward cases where pets and kids were getting it.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly, it could just as likely be the natural crossing point of queer theory and the highschoolization of society, both meeting at the "the only people it's okay to shame about sex are the ugly losers who can't get any". After all, someone having HIV+ or MonkeyPox doesn't have some vicious fatal disease, it's proof they're a sexual dynamo who's so desired they fuck before and probably will fuck you so good it's worth dying over!

[–]xoenix 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is the only counterpoint that I could find in that thread. I don't want to check the site myself though, I don't want to get AIDS.

[–]spanishprofanity 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

all this focus on dicks seems kind of terfy tbh

[–]clownworlddropout 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It's the use of the word "clean" they're getting butt-hurt about, they say it's offensive and ignorant because it suggests that people living with HIV are dirty, which makes sense if you're retarded (oops, I mean neurodivergent).

This wording implies that they're somehow dirty. Not only is that offensive, but it’s also harmful and seriously stigmatising. People in our communities should know better than to do exactly what our queer forebears were fighting against. Stigma keeps people in the shadows and causes even more harm.

More PC word police bullshit that does nothing.

[–]jet199[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yep, it's been shown time and time again that changing bad words to nice ones just means the nice words get a bad association.

Disabled people in the UK voted "special" the most offensive word.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The funniest thing happened when I was a kid. As part of an effort to promote tolerance and acceptance for disabled people, a children’s TV show, Blue Peter, featured a man called Joey Deacon, who was a well known author and had cerebral palsy with quite severe facial and vocal tics.

It backfired hard, from that day on “Joey” became an insult and kids, to this day, mimic his facial tics - when a American kid of the 80s would have said “retarded” British kids put their tongue between their lower lips and teeth and say “Duurrrr”. Truthfully, it’s way worse than just saying “retarded”.

[–]clownworlddropout 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly, it's called the Euphemism Treadmill. It's so tedious.

[–]jet199[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why are so many minorities so keen on genociding themselves?

[–]alladd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's kind of insulting to even suggest that a cutesy little cartoon is going to have any noticeable effect on the behaviors of horny gay men. Like, "I was going to be careful and make sure I didn't get HIV, but this goofy cartoon guilt tripped me into thinking otherwise! Rail away!"

[–]jet199[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You say this but there seems to be a large number of stupid young gay men who do whatever the media tell them to.

Look at the number who are pretending to like transmen or even try to do conversion therapy on themselves about it.

[–]alladd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I seriously doubt there's a lot of actual adult gays interested in having heterosexual relationships with mutilated narcissists. More likely there's just a lot of LGBT teens who are trying to seem cool and tolerant to their friends, and don't have to back their words up.

[–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But I bet COVIC/Vax status is okay.