Detransitioner who thought he was trans girl says he bitterly regrets taking puberty blockers from 13 and having testicles removed at 19 because he didn't want to be gay

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[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

And if he ever goes to sue someone, it'll be the doctors and not those older troons who cultivated and groomed him to it by teaching him how get a pass for the process. And those are honestly the ones who need to be hauled into court. Doctor gets sued, the insurance eats it and passes the costs on. But if some of those troons get properly nailed, even if they have nothing to take, just getting out for what they are will be a solid blow. Maybe treat them like people who commit electronic crimes, with strict limits on device and Internet access.

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Not really.

Doctors have the final say around these things and they should try and do their best work even if the culture around them is retarded.

What you're suggesting is suing everyone that follows a particular mindset whereas they don't actually have any say in what that person does with their body. If anything, parents should get sued at MOST.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What you're suggesting is suing everyone that follows a particular mindset

No, I'm suggesting suing the people who actually say "threaten to neck yourself if your family and/or caregivers don't approve you for the transition process." And, in the same vein, those dumbasses who offer DIY tips on hormones for kids who can't get their parents to roll over and submit.

The former are little better than the scum who incite terrorism from the safety of a keyboard and the latter are akin to assholes offering instructions on how to cook up homemade explosives.

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"threaten to neck yourself if your family and/or caregivers don't approve you for the transition process."

Oh you mean the law that imprisons parents if they don't affirm their child's gender. For sure.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

If the doctors or even parents get sued, the [often communist] troons who cultivate/groom people into it will just respond "ha ha, money vacuum go brrr" and continue doing the same shit over and over again, even if- no, ESPECIALLY IF- the doctors/parents start refusing over these lawsuits. Many of them will even go so far as start flat-out saying "well, our whole movement works on threatening to sudoku if we don't get our transition- for the good of the whole movement, we have to ask you to take one for the team and end yourself for us."

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Advocating for that but also getting pissed rightwing people get censored is hypocrital. You're using leftist logic.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You won't convince them. Most of the right is already just as deep into blind rage and reactionary ideology as the left at this point. They have been since the riots in 2020. They'll just accuse you of siding with the left for staying true to the same ideals they used to defend.

[–]LyingSpirit472 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The doctors and parents you're advocating to let detransitioners sue are the same people who were quite literally told by the detransitioner that the detransitioner would kill themselves if the parents didn't let them transition/the doctor didn't agree to transition them. Threatening to commit suicide in order to get someone to give you your way is recognized as an act of domestic violence.

To advocate for the doctors and parents to get sued and not the people actively grooming the detransitioner is to punish victims.

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

To advocate for the doctors and parents to get sued and not the people actively grooming the detransitioner is to punish victims.

Who's grooming? Who's allowing them to be groomed?

There's basic things a parent has to do because there will always be bad actors going after your kids. Also, you have to pick a good school.

They don't see themselves as groomers, that's the issue. They think they're the good guys. This is why parents have some fault in not protecting their kids.

[–]LyingSpirit472 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's basic things a parent has to do because there will always be bad actors going after your kids. Also, you have to pick a good school.

Welcome to the Internet; clearly this is your first day on it. We're in a world where there's no possible way to 100% stop it anymore. You can't watch your kids 24/7, and the second you pass out trying your kids are going to be at risk. No matter how much you mete out and filter your kids' internet, no matter how much you make the kid mistrust anyone who's not directly in your family and look side-eyed at the other family members, SOMEONE is going to get through. And if you do all those things, your kid's going to lash out hard and more of them will get through.

They don't see themselves as groomers, that's the issue. They think they're the good guys.

I agree. WHICH IS WHY THEY HAVE TO BE THE ONES THAT ARE ALLOWED TO BE SUED OVER THIS STUFF. These groomers do truly believe they're the good guys, and no matter what happens to the former victim or the people who their scripting forced to give the former victim their way, they're not going to stop until you can punish them for it. The only way to stop them is to punish the groomers for this and make it so they are liable for these things. Inevitably, the groomers will cry and say they're really the good guys and the world is oppressing them because they're Dark Triad POSes and that's what they do, but if they can't afford the Internet because their money's all going to their victims, you take them out of the picture.

[–]TiberSeptim 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I don’t think so. They’re only allowing them to be groomed if you think that allowing your child any contact with the outside world is “allowing them to be groomed” it’s absolutely everywhere: TV, music, internet, movies, the schools, their friends, advertising. You can’t really escape it unless you’re completely out of the culture you’re subjected to the absolute firehose of propaganda in all the subjects that the regime values.

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You can’t really escape it unless you’re completely out of the culture you’re subjected to the absolute firehose of propaganda in all the subjects that the regime values.

You train your child for that, you know that right?

[–]TiberSeptim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes you can try to do that, but keep in mind that you’re sending a child to try to reason with adults here. You can allow your kids to stand in front of the firehouse and try to reason against adults, but it’s kinda a foregone conclusion that an 8 year old will simply believe what every part of the culture is telling him, especially when it’s authorities like his teacher.

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Who said I'm sending a child to reason with adults? I just teach them about good habits, that's all. If they see a weird person in the bathroom they shouldn't reason with them (in this current political climate) they should get the fuck out!

[–]JulienMayfair 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The First Amendment protects freedom of expression, including the freedom to be a bad influence, so you couldn't -- in the U.S. at least -- charge someone under current law. It's like cults. You can't charge cult leaders with the crime of being a cult leader, because it's not a crime, no matter how much actual damage they do to other people's lives.

Doctors, on the other hand, are bound by professional ethics, the first and foremost of which is the famous, "Do No Harm." If they are harming patients in their care, they should be sued for malpractice. I think I remember hearing recently that in some states, insurance companies providing malpractice insurance for doctors were refusing to insure doctors who practice "gender affirming care." I think the insurance companies see which way this is going.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But "Do No Harm" means that these doctors are literally in a no-win situation because the detransitioners make it clear they'll off themselves if you don't approve them for transition: Either you trans them and do harm to them, or you do not, they off themselves, and you did harm to them by not.

The tiebreaker would be them threatening to off themselves, which goes to "not a jury in the world would convict them of malpractice because the doctor was forced into doing the transition under threat of the person suing them offing themselves." This would absolutely fall under the duress defense, and the vast majority of doctors and parents will absolutely be able to claim duress in this regard and get off (or get a vastly reduced punishment)- but the groomers will not have that.

[–]JulienMayfair 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So the only practical approach may be to restrict medical transition legally for those under the age of 18.

[–]LyingSpirit472 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Likely, though again, no-win situation: It makes sense, but all it takes is one doctor who restricts medical transition to an under-18, the kid offs themselves, and the grieving parents file a malpractice lawsuit under "If only you had just agreed to transition them my baby would still be alive today!" - and the doctor's in the same boat as they would have been otherwise.

The real practical approach would be: Have doctors/parents save the receipts. That way, when the detransitioner inevitably does make a lawsuit against them, the doctors/parents can prove to the court "wait a second, we agreed under duress against our will because YOU held your own life hostage to get to transition. You threatened to off yourself if we didn't agree to do this transition/these surgeries to you" = and would require the courts to take this information into place and make the legal decision "Careful what you wish for, you just might get it."

(Note: This also ties to why the groomers could have a chance at being sued as responsible in this case; since they do most of their work on the Internet and were a friend of the detransitioner, the detransitioner likely has receipts or can get from Skype/Discord/etc. the receipts proving the groomer gave them a script of how to threaten suicide to get their way from the parents/doctors, or gave them ways to get HRT without it...which in turn can lead to courts finding them culpable for it.)