'Baby-faced' student who killed a sex worker when he discovered she was trans is jailed for up to ten years

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[–]clownworlddropout 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Awful situation, but he didn't initiate the violence as the court claims, the tranny initiated the violence by raping him.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Correct, UK ruled that the woman who pretended to be a man with a penis when she slept with a woman did 'rape'. So this is too

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12172481/Mother-girl-duped-woman-pretending-boy-tells-sex-assault-trial-realised-truth.html

[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Not quite, I believe in that case it was multiple counts of sexual assault and sexual assault by penetration, but none of rape. Rape in England & Wales is strictly defined as penetration with an actual penis. I doubt whether a transman with a phalloplasty would be charged with rape as their defence would almost certainly argue it’s not a penis, and so the charge would be sexual assault by penetration.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

sexual assault by penetration, but none of rape

Thats more or less how I probably would have defined rape if you had asked me for my understanding of what 'rape' was

Rape in England & Wales is strictly defined as penetration with an actual penis.

Ah, was not aware of this distinction. Is this a US thing too?

[–]IMissPorn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In the US this is by state law of course so it may vary, but generally no. The definition in the US tends to be broader, and the distinction between rape and other sexual assault is any kind of penetration. And the rapist doesn't necessarily have to be the penetrator like they do in the UK (though obviously this is usually the case).

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was until People v Turner happened.

The "only penis with penetration is rape" mindset is extremely common in the world because the female is always seen as the victim and the man as the perpretator. The only cases where male rape is taken seriously is when a gay man rapes a straight man and it needs to have penetration.

This is not only problematic for women but for married straight men and asexual men as well.

[–]Mogambo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck this headline.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-07/hector-valencia-jailed-sex-worker-kimberley-mcrae-coogee/102574248

a non-parole period of 6 years and 9 months.

For murder, not self-defense

Trying to cover up evidence and escaping to Aruba.

Fuck Australia's courts.

[–]ihaveyourdress 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The people are so entrenched in the ideology, they'd push for a rape charge to validate their chosen gender.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, how quickly they discount the inciting incident - sexual assault/rape.

The trouble was he did three stupid things, he tried to destroy evidence, he ran and he sent incriminating texts. If you’re going to claim self-defence you can’t really act like you just did a murder.

[–]LtGreenCo 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The trouble was he did three stupid things

Five stupid things. The first thing was looking for sex from an online stranger. The second was not turning around and immediately running when he saw that plasticky fish-lipped 70 year old man with a wig on.

[–]TheStandingResident 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's also Sexual Coercion because he trick him by advertising himself as a G cup MLIF.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Rape? Did he force himself on him?

[–]Wanderingthehalls 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It is rape by deception. Assuming he was genuinely deceived. Trans people never pass in real life and it isn't unheard of for gay/bisexual men in denial to have sex with hst/transwomen. And attack them afterwards, pretending they only just realised that they've had sex with a man.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Does rape by deception apply in Australia? Even if it does this case clearly goes beyond self defense.