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[–]jet199 12 insightful - 11 fun12 insightful - 10 fun13 insightful - 11 fun -  (6 children)

Troon says he hates capitalism.

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[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They're taking what is essentially a desire to be parasitic NEETs and presenting it to the world with a thin facade of Marxist ideology in an effort to give it legitimacy.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They seem to forget that Marxism was all about the workers.

Scroungers go in with the lumpenproletariat.

[–]ClassroomPast6178Problematising the things you love. 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Marx, however, was a massive scrounger.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Which actually goes a long way to explaining all of the bullshit that he came up with. He was trying to justify his own life of not getting out there and breaking a sweat to earn his daily bread. And how better than to spin up a load about how certain people inherently deserve more for doing less, but that's okay because those certain people are looking out for the ones doing all of the icky manual labor.

[–]ClassroomPast6178Problematising the things you love. 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

🤮😭🤮

[–]slavdude0 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

climate change, war, poverty

USSR/Russia, China, North Korea, Venezuela? Anyone?

[–]Alienhunter 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

All countries well known for their tolerant and progressive treatment of minority and counter cultural groups.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Haven't you heard? Those never count (and they never did) because they were always, somehow, not real. That's why the muppets need to keep trying again and again and again until they finally get it right (meaning that they're finally the ones giving the orders).

[–]M1GarandDad 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

And whenever a Socialist party sets out to create real Socialism, it becomes Fascism, which is right-wing because... it just is okay!

[–]ShekelPa 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Never fails. They just regurgitate the same focus-tested-approved buzzword-heavy jargon .

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Bless his heart.

[–]loubag1997 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

*his

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

[–]ClassroomPast6178Problematising the things you love. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The insanity, it burns!

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Islam cometh.

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Oh, didn't realize it was a troon, pic is small and blurry.

[–]ClassroomPast6178Problematising the things you love. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Right, what do they mean by white supremacy? (By “they” I mean anyone who uses that term).

When I think “white supremacy/supremacist” I think of sieg heiling skinheads, Klansmen in robes and actual Nazis, but I get the distinct impression that when “white supremacy” is invoked it is in reference to the “crime” of being white in a majority white country (primarily US, UK and Canada but I suppose Aus, NZ as well, Ireland never seems to get included).

I struggle to see the white supremacy in these white majority countries as even a cursory glance at the media (printed and broadcast) will reveal, especially in the UK but I suspect in the others too, an over-representation of non-whites (in all forms, fiction and non-fiction). No where is this more evident than in the hypercapitalistic world of commercial advertising, where every second advert on TV or streaming service features a non-white actor, often as part of a inter-racial couple, something unthinkable under my understanding of “white supremacy”.

If we accept that a hypothesis should be falsifiable in order to be a valid hypothesis, then the hypothesis that capitalism as we are currently experiencing it in the aforementioned countries is perpetrating “white supremacy” should be falsified by the appearance of inter-racial couples in TV adverts, or there exists a definition of “white supremacy” that doesn’t just permit but celebrates and promotes inter-racial coupling.

The obvious question being that if we were to visit black or brown majority countries and not see the promotion and celebration of inter-racial coupling, what does that tell us about racism in those countries?

Tl;dr

A hypothesis should be falsifiable. The hypothesis that capitalism is causing racism can be falsified. The way we falsify this hypothesis would be to look to how capitalism treats non-whites. Advertising is pure capitalism in media form. Sexual relationships between whites and non-whites seem to be frequently celebrated and on display in advertising, and occur at rates far higher than in the population. Therefore, the hypothesis that capitalism is driving white supremacy is falsified. Try harder.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

By white supremacy they mean the western enlightenment.

They mean to get rid of it and everything which came from it.

https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333

[–]ClassroomPast6178Problematising the things you love. 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Enlightenment values that produce a media that celebrates non-whites and inter-racial relationships to such a degree that they are presented in the aforementioned media at a rate outstripping their actual occurrence? Such racism!

I suppose the two major political movements pushing the abandonment of enlightenment values, the Communists and the Fascists, are easy to spot when it’s white people sieg heiling or waving red flags, but no one wants to challenge the non-white political extremists for fear of being cancelled, but that is exactly the company they’re keeping with this bullshit.

It is interesting how the American perception of race has overtaken everything. The makers of Rings of Power used the term BIPOC recently, but with the “I” standing for indigenous and the RoP being part of a very British IP (albeit a dreadful bastardisation) indigenous takes on an opposite meaning and is hilarious.

[–]LyingSpirit472 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But the "using BIPOC in British IPs" problem makes sense when you remember: the "I" doesn't really matter to people who'd say BIPOC, and it's really only there because everyone is aware that the people they're going after are aware native people got a raw deal, and more importantly, even the most hardened hotep knows their support will die quickly the second they play the card "well, sure they killed 90% of you due to diseases you had no immunity to or outright murdered you, stole your land and moved you to the most worthless wasteland in the country and then stole that from you when they found out it had oil and they wanted it...but you don't understand. They made us WORK!"

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

You know what I find truly entertaining about the whole "you owe us forever because slavery" rhetoric? I cannot recall anyone trying to pump the tribes--more than a few of whom definitely owned slaves--for reparations over that. You'd think that someone would have lined up a shot on at least the tribes with the casino revenue coming in.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

It's the old "but white people should know better" casual racism.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's a few hoteps who will claim "tribes owned slaves so you owe us forever too", but again, they get shouted down because Americans are quite aware that Native Americans got a raw deal in this country and if a hotep has the gall to claim blacks were treated worse, IT WILL NOT END WELL for them.

[–]Alienhunter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Black people also owned slaves.

I basically just insinuate to these types that if they still believe themselves to be inferior slaves people will gladly let them work for free.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of people on the left now don't engage at all in what they are really saying and actually think it's odd you expect them to.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Steak and potatoes is bland? Well, people can hardly afford steak now, and even potatoes jumped in price. They got that one.

[–]Alienhunter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Right, what do they mean by white supremacy? (By “they” I mean anyone who uses that term).

Generally on the internet it's used as a blanket insult largely devoid of meaning beyond "someone who disagrees with me". Similar to how a child will call everything they don't like unfair. Which is a disturbing trend as it makes it impossible to identify the actual racists as they can simply hide behind the storm of people claiming math is white supremacy or some such nonsense.

When the media uses white supremacy it's largely used as a kind of veiled political threat, it's mostly a distraction as a scapegoat for politicians failure to govern well and a deflection tactic to put people on the defensive when they question the politicians about their failed policies.

Actual white supremacy is when people believe white people are superior to all else and seek to implement a society where skin color and racial background are the defining aspects of one's life. The popular culture likes to focus on the KKK, Nazis and other historical groups that, to be fair, still exist in some form, however they are nowhere near as influential as they once were. Most modern white supremacy takes the form as the "soft bigotry of low expectations" largely from the left in the form of policies that assume that minorities are inferior and therefore entitled to extra benefits, affirmative action, lower standards, etc. Most highly educated people aren't quite so obvious about it and can understand some academic and macro-economic arguments that don't come from a place of believing in the innate superiority of white people, which is where most of these ideas are first discussed. However the internet allows for the lowest common denominator of discourse to take root and society and bureaucracies are filled with many low level drones who will simply repeat what they are told like NPC in a video game rather than trying to understand and dissect these ideas.

Most of the racial issues in the west aren't truly racial and are instead largely driven by economic class issues as well as cultural and religious issues. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who is a true racist in the west in the sense where they equate skin color with value, but that was always the most easily digested and childish view of racism to begin with. Even in the past such issues were far more complex than we want to view them now.

It's also worth pointing out that pretty much all taxonomic classifications of race have little to no scientific value and that our views of where one race ends and another begins are basically driven by those same cultural and economic viewpoints of our contemporary society, as were those views in past socieites. We can choose basically any inherited feature as a racial characteristic. You get plopped back in Medieval England and they'd all be up killing the Scotts and the Welsh and the French would laugh at your silly concept that they were all the same race.

This is something that is perhaps difficult to for modern academia to understand but I do feel that the spread of Christianity in Europe was largely responsible for allowing the governments and the church to erase the various racial distinctions of the Romans vs the Gauls vs the Germanic tribes and lump them all together as having the same "souls" and therefore all being equally human. The Romans were pretty smart to seize upon the opportunity and spread it throughout their empire as a means to help enforce cohesion rather than having a varied pantheon of gods many of which would be considered the national deity of whatever tribe you were trying to subjugate. One of the reasons why the reformation was such a great historical event in Europe as it essentially shattered the remnant of the Roman empires control over Europe.

[–]ClassroomPast6178Problematising the things you love. 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

This guy fucks!

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

When I think “white supremacy/supremacist” I think of sieg heiling skinheads, Klansmen in robes and actual Nazis

I used to think that too. There's actually a few white supremacists on here, and you've probably already talked to them without knowing. They're not the cartoon caricatures of evil they're are presented as, not largely anyways. It's not anymore of an extreme idea than saying Japan should be for Japanese people, and they have a right to be ethnically Japanese and embrace their own culture. But nobody calls those people Yellow Supremacists, that would be insanely racist.

It was easier to speak to them when s/debatealtright was still allowed on the front page, but they're not dumb and evil like I was led to believe originally. I support their desire to have a white nation -- I mean, why not, go take Utah, although I don't fit strict definitions of white.

[–]Alienhunter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's a subtle difference between promoting nationalism and cultural supremacy vs racial supremacy. There's also a subtle difference between cultural supremacist viewpoints and just nationalism.

It's fine to think "my cultural and ethnic values are best for my country and my people". It's also fine to think that "my cultural and ethnic values are good and other people should be encouraged to adopt them".

It becomes an issue when you start thinking "my cultural and ethnic values are better for everyone everywhere and they should be forced to adopt it" or the extremely retarded "people who don't look like me cannot share my values".

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's a subtle difference between promoting nationalism and cultural supremacy vs racial supremacy.

Jews, Japanese, and the Chinese all believe in their racial supremacy. It's only an issue if a white guy does it.

It becomes an issue when you start thinking "my cultural and ethnic values are better for everyone everywhere and they should be forced to adopt it"

These cultures view outsiders as inferior and not capable of improving themselves. Thinking another culture could elevate itself to one's own doesn't seem particularly racist.

I mean, are you arguing for Colored People Time here? Just show up whenever you feel like it? And it's evil white nationalism forcing being on time on everyone. Cause that's just one minor issue, but that's one of those white values expected of other cultures.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jews, Japanese, and the Chinese all believe in their racial supremacy. It's only an issue if a white guy does it.

And all of these groups have engaged in racially and culturally motivated genocide in the past. Still an issue when they do it.

These cultures view outsiders as inferior and not capable of improving themselves.

A very simple-minded take on a more complex issue than that. They view their cultures as better for them in most cases but don't necessarily view outsiders as inferior or incapable of improvement. I suggest travel as a way to get a more accurate view of these cultures rather than whatever the media in your country wishes to say.

I mean, are you arguing for Colored People Time here? Just show up whenever you feel like it? And it's evil white nationalism forcing being on time on everyone. Cause that's just one minor issue, but that's one of those white values expected of other cultures.

If we want to get into a discussion on how different cultures, specifically pre-industrial ones have a different sense of time than countries where factories and other time sensitive and complex business practices necessitate punctuality there is something to talk about.

This whole idea that black people can't be expected to show up on time is extremely racist and stupid though. However if you go to a developing country or otherwise non-industrialized location and start taking issue with the locals operating on a "I go when I feel like it schedule" you can't really complain about how they do things in their country, well you certainly can complain and I certainly feel it's free reign to criticize other cultures, but you can't expect them to care anymore than you'd care about some African Tribal who has never flown telling you it's stupid to show up three hours before your flight. He may be annoyed by the scheduling demands of a modern society and perhaps rightly so but his complaints would be idiotic and stupid since society won't change for him. The opposite is also true. Skin color is entirely irrelevant. Industrial/pre-industrial societal attitudes are more to blame. Also you'll find that colder climates produce more punctual cultures as naturally if the work doesn't get done on time you will freeze to death, as opposed to working near the equator where if you don't siesta during the hot part of the day you might die from heat exhaustion.

There's no one right way of doing things that is applicable to all people across all locations at all times. Failure to adapt leads to death.

[–]alladd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

actually i love the human race and i think the world would be better off without just this person

[–]Newzok 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I the sentiment should be that if we have a sense of real community and cooperation based around it, these things would lessen.

[–]handbananasrevenge 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

“Capitalism bad” he posted to the multi billion dollar social media platform from his $1,200 smart phone.

Capitalism isn’t a perfect system by any means. It’s not criticisms of capitalism by themselves that I have an issue with. There’s a lot to criticize.

What pisses me off is about these people is a mix of the following:

1) left wing social media troons complain about the very systems that have handed them their current social and political power. They are tools of the system. And they do it for free.

2) They claim to hate capitalism but are some of the most conspicuous consumers out there.

3) Them making money from their own grifting and e-begging is fine, anything they don’t control or makes money for other people is capitalism and evil.

4) they truly believe that if they got their revolution, they’d be the ones in charge. They’d be put against the wall within the first week because they very thing that made them an asset before makes them a liability.

5) I have never encountered someone who genuinely believed this shit who also wasn’t a massive fucking mid wit loser, who excelled at nothing, yet believed themselves to be the smartest person in every room they were in.

[–]ClassroomPast6178Problematising the things you love. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they truly believe that if they got their revolution, they’d be the ones in charge. They’d be put against the wall within the first week because they very thing that made them an asset before makes them a liability.

If history has taught us anything, unless you are either the leader of, or indispensable to, the revolutionary group, if you took part in any level of the revolution you are getting purged in a terrible fashion the moment the flag has changed on top of the presidential palace. You might survive if you were very low down the pecking order, but no one ever fantasises about being the guy unloading the supply trucks for the glorious revolutionary guards.

The Commietroons are going to find themselves ejected from fifth floor windows along with the Antifa twats, and the tiki torch carriers and Qanon gimps too when their lot takes the presidential palace. It’s dangerous having revolutionaries hanging about once the revolting is finished, especially as they generally aren’t too useful to the regime as anything other than cannon fodder.

To survive a revolution you need to be indispensable and if you can make yourself indispensable to the revolution, you could probably do it before the revolution and if you can do it before the revolution, why are you revolting?