TIL the founder of the Chinese Communist Party, Mao Zedong, was responsible for the deaths of over 65 million people, making him the most prolific killer of the 20th century.

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[–]sodomytron 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (74 children)

but i thought evil nazis were the totally worst thing evar?

[–]aThievingStableboy[S] 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (39 children)

caewtsg

[–]sodomytron 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (36 children)

that's right goy, demonize defense of your country and people for sake of a lie. ever look into how many times jews claimed 6 gorillion of their people were killed?

[–]aThievingStableboy[S] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

setasetas

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

But I'm not German. . . It's not my country.

I'm American and Nazi Germany declared war on my country after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

[–]asterias 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Didn't American Jews declare war on Germany first?

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What does that even mean? Did some non-government Jewish groups hold a publicity stunt press conference or something?

I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I just don't know what you're talking about. Do you have a link to something -- ideally, something from a historian or even Wikipedia?

But, war is declared by governments. At that time, we did it through Congress. After that, we started doing it more and more through executive order. Hitler as executive of his country declared war on us.

And, yes, we were supplying the U.K. heavily. But still, declaring the war is a blunder -- maybe even a bigger one than opening up the Soviet front before the U.K. was defeated. I mean, seriously, educate me if you have the time and evidence, but it looks like Hitler had multiple opportunities to shift into a defensive stance, having already acquired "living space" for his people. (I understand oil might be another matter. Still don't declare war on the U.S. The U.S. public would have been it's finicky self).

[–]asterias 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Some events are mentioned here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_anti-Nazi_boycott#Events_in_the_United_States

I have seen other articles and videos (which I don't have handy at the moment) about American Jews and Jewish Mafia attacking political parties and gatherings in the USA with complete impunity. Judging from what happened with those organisations (American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress and B'nai B'rith) when they pressured various governments to ban political parties in Europe during the last decade, I can only imagine how provoking their moves would be back then.

War is officially declared by governments, but certain groups appear to exercise significant control over governments and even preoccupy government decisions.

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i appreciate you locating what you did.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

they did a BDS movement on germany. But did germany really feel the need to declare war on USA just because of that? I think Hitler was trying to make proactive moves, war would be inevitable so why not strike first. They were working on a wonderwaffen so he might have figured he'd have nukes eventually so it'd work out.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hitler sought peace with the US and UK at every turn (and the war was never popular among the citizens of these countries). Germany was dragged into the war due to its treaty with Japan, and the ABCD Line amounts to an act of war on the part of the US.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

hitler had a peace agreement with Russia, later invaded them. He probably correctly thought they'd break the agreement soon so why not attack first and have he advantage. He also needed oil, a major reason for the entire world war in the first place, Russia had it.

I like playing the board game Risk and I think it is true to life, you need to take a risk. Sometimes send your troops and attack a powerful opponent even if it spreads your troops thin. Hoping by your next turn you can regroup. Having a lot of land is valuable as it gets you more troops. Sometimes don't attack an opponent because you want them to be a buffer between you and another opponent that is more powerful.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All Jews worldwide united to declare war on Germany first, yes.

[–]sodomytron 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor

your history channel education makes americans look bad. you have a single dimensional, official narrative take on historical events

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

That's a just a bunch of name calling. I'm not stupid on purpose and willing to learn if you have the time (and if you don't have the time it's fine -- but in that case, why start the conversation?).

But random internet stranger (that's you) saying something without any proof (which you're not offering) just isn't going to teach me anything.

[–]Chipit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Well, I didn't believe it either until I started looking into it. I was shocked what I found.

FDR goaded the Japanese into attacking. He cut off their steel supply, which largely came from American scrap. Then he cut off their oil supply, which came from the Dutch East Indies. He boxed them into a corner without any way out. He empowered the "hate everyone" militarists and pulled the rug from out under the peace faction. If you have the time for it, this is a fantastic video on Japanese factional politics 1919-1945. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE_iNUXhrfw

Admiral J.O. Richardson: The admiral said he was going to tell a story that the lieutenant could regard as a parable. "Assume", Richardson said, "you were the leader of the greatest nation in the world, and assume that you saw, in another hemisphere, the development of a power which you regarded, and with reasonable support, as a total threat to Western civilization as you knew it. Supposing, however, for various reasons, your conception of the danger was not shared by your constituents, your own people. And you saw the total destruction of western civilization in the hands of this adversary, and your detected in your own people, at the time, on the basis of everything they knew, a lack of appreciation of the problem. Assume you saw that the only salvation of Western civilization was to repel this particular power but that required you to enter a foreign war for which your people were not psychologically or militarily prepared. Assume that what was needed to galvanize your own people for a unified approach towards this basic danger to civilization was an incident in which your posture was clearly of passive non-aggression, and apparent unpreparedness; and the incident in question was a direct act of aggression which had no excuse or justification. Assume that you saw this potentiality developing on the horizon and it was the solution to the dilemma, as you saw it, of saving civilization and galvanizing your own people. It is conceivable, is it not, that you might be less disposed to create a situation in which there might be no doubt as to who struck the first blow"...."It's a fable. You just think about that fable as you study some of this material. And, it's conceivable that it might have some enlightening factors."

That about explains the United States allowing the Japanese to attack her. I recommend the book Infamy, written by a credible historian. He went and read every single piece of correspondence written about the investigation afterwards and concludes, yes the commanders of Pearl Harbor were hung out to dry and blamed so that FDR could have his war.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1656121.Infamy

[–]sodomytron 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

his war

what's remarkable is timely extended commentary shows that it was commonly known FDR was wanting war. i grew up a bit when i realized every generation has ppl who can see what's going on and they're usually ignored by dummies like u/theFriendlyDoomer. the reason i don't spoon feed them anymore (bless your heart) is they don't know not because they haven't found, but because they don't look. and they don't look because they actually don't care. and so doing all of their work to teach them is end in the end pointless. but others are lurking, so good on you for their sake

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yeah well you do a really shitty job of explaining your point of view, and actually are negative value, in that your shittiness drives people away. Maybe they could be convinced, but when you jump directly to the "ur stupid and it's pointless" part, that's counter-productive. Have you considered that your lack of success is directly due to your extremely poor persuasion skills?

[–]sodomytron 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

0 care. fire only

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I appreciate all of that. I'll try to check out the Toland book at some point.

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And history repeats itself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_project#History

The result was the threat of a Super-301 (complete stop of import based on section 301 of the Omnibus Trade and Competitiveness Act of 1988) against everything related to TRON, including products from the companies selling computers running TRON OS variants. This led to many companies dropping TRON in fear to lose the possibility to export to the United States.[14] According to a report from The Wall Street Journal, from the point of view of the United States trade officials in the 80s and early 90s, the TRON project was seen as a plot brought up by the Japanese bureaucrats to "control the world" and a potential threat to American dominance in computer technology.

[–]sodomytron 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

sorry i don't spoon feed 30 years of search engines on

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If you don't want to provide any proof of anything, I don't know why you want to make this one of your hobbies, but to each his own.

The one thing you highlighted was me saying Germany declared war on the U.S. So you do not think Germany declared war on the U.S.? There is recorded evidence of Hitler's speech. We would have focused all our energy on Japan if Hitler hadn't declared war. Churchill himself was glad Hitler did, because the U.S. might have stopped supplying as much to the U.K. (that's in the Wikipedia article above).

If we fought Japan for several years, perhaps Germany would have won one of the two fronts. In either case, they would probably be able to shift into a better defensive stance. I think the U.S. public could then have been convinced it was not worth it. . .

[–]Chipit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The US was waging an undeclared war against Germany in the Atlantic. US ships followed German merchant ships from Mexico, broadcasting their position to the British navy. My own grandfather was in the Neutrality Patrol in the Atlantic, where they attacked German naval vessels. The best-known incident was that of the Reuben James, where the US Navy ship positioned itself between the location of a known wolf pack and a convoy packed with war materiel headed for Britain. USS Kearny dropped depth charges on German U-boats while at peace. President Roosevelt announced his infamous "shoot-on-sight" order: that German U-boat "very presence in any waters which America deems vital to its defense constitutes an attack. In the waters which we deem necessary for our defense, American naval vessels and American planes will no longer wait until Axis submarines lurking under the water, or Axis raiders on the surface of the sea, strike their deadly blow—first."

What defense? We were chilling on our side of the Atlantic, why's our defense necessary in the middle of the ocean? And FDR just said their mere presence is grounds to open fire.

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure. I'll agree with all of those things were happening. My point is still that by Hitler declaring War, FDR finally got what he wanted: the ability to openly prosecute a full war against Germany.

In the near future, we'll be doing Deep Fakes of leaders calling us out to start our wars. But that wasn't the case here.

[–]sodomytron 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

why

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because the U.S. up to that point had a long history of a) the Monroe Doctrine and b) demobilizing immediately after wars. Though we got dragged into WWI, we even demobilized right after it and started referring to that war as "the war to end all wars." War with Germany was a super unpopular idea in the U.S. I recommend William Manchester's book The Glory and the Dream for the background. Though FDR was in fact trying to build that support (and, sure, I'll listen to the theory that he allowed had the intel but let Pearl Harbor happen) he hadn't really gotten there. Hitler declaring war, an act no one but himself made him do, gave all the PR needed to get support for the two-front war.

Look at the actual history of U.S. in protracted wars, such as the Civil War (ie from the North's perspective) or Vietnam. The public gets sick of fighting them. Also, imagine the kind of warfare the U.S. had to do against Japan -- island to island, against suicide runs. In this timeline, we might have grinded through more citizens but not had the A-bomb in time to speed up the surrender of the mainland.

In the meantime, if Hitler wins the Soviet front, he has all the oil he needs. Or, if he wins the U.K. front, he can set up a much better defense against U.S. invasion.

[–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Stop memeing

[–]sodomytron 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

no u

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let's get along, we all want truth.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wait, do you mean something like this? https://www.bitchute.com/video/InfoisVbVuFc/

Yes, they claimed it at least 250 times in the papers between 1800 and 1930. But then in WW2 it "actually happened". Ahem. Suuuuuuuuuuuure.

[–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

like there is a difference when you judge by results rather than marketing

[–]aThievingStableboy[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

setst

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

Two things can be bad. It is okay to point out when one thing is worse than another. But that doesn't make the bad thing all the sudden good.

[–]sodomytron 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Two things can be bad

deflecting from the point. the nonstop MSM (jewish) cries in fear and pain are exclusively about ebil nazis, and NEVER communism. if that doesn't tell you something you're not listening

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You are deflecting.

I happen to agree with Mencius Moldbug's idea of the Cathedral.. In other words, yes, we have a problem here. The left has created a culture of superficial charity that masks power-grabs by the elites. I imagine you think only Jews could be so greedy and scheming, whereas I think most people can be and have been. Communism has been chic in intellectual circles on and off in a way that is truly sickening.

All of that is true. But the Nazi also did a lot of bad things, far more than bad things any democracy I can think of. Are you just going to pretend they didn't?

[–]sodomytron 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I imagine you think only Jews

wrong again faggot, jesuits also

But the Nazi also did a lot of bad things

don't care anymore. only destruction and fire will cleanse now. 100 years of subversion pushing fraudulent fiat money, turmoil in the family unit with feminism, homosexuals and buttfucking, infant murder, using niggers as weapons against white ppl everywhere that just want to be left alone, welfare gibs to boatloads of low iq "refugee" immigrants living off the back of productive americans, systemic child rape tier corruption in government, no friend, only destruction is in USA's future. i'll vote for and support whatever brings that faster

far more than bad things any democracy

again, history channel educated idiot, you're ignorant to the evil USA has done. punishment comes :)

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

wrong again faggot,

I'm happily married and been for years. But your pointless slur is noted.

don't care anymore. only destruction and fire will cleanse now.

Then just lead with that. Don't pretend you're interested in a real conversation. Some men just want to watch the world burn, and all that. . . I will simply ignore you from now on, if you'd prefer that.

again, history channel educated idiot,

I really don't even watch the history channel. I do read quite a bit. I've just never been particularly interested in Nazi Germany from Germany's perspective. Do you read a lot about Finland from their perspective? I can't emphasis this enough, I'm not from Germany. If I'm interested in non-democratic, highly efficient models of government there are other examples. Why would I privilege leaning about this foreign country over any other? It's still foreign.

you're ignorant to the evil USA has done. punishment comes :)

No, this one I know about. I have been interested in my own country. And it is not the story of only Jews and Jesuits doing bad things. Which one do think Bill Clinton is. . .? He's a white redneck turned elitist.

[–]sodomytron 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Which one do think Bill Clinton is. . .? He's a white redneck turned elitist

he's a rockefeller

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are Rockefeller's Jews or Jesuits?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

bill clinton was a rhodes scholar. named for cecil rhodes, who was a rothschild agent. As was rockefeller.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, the Nazis did nothing wrong. Which is why they lost, they couldn't imagine how traitorous and underhanded "Christian" leaders would be.

[–]aThievingStableboy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

aset

[–]sodomytron 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

i've started to. why shouldn't i? racial hygiene is how evolution continues. why should dysgenic retards be supported with tax money, at the expense of normal ppl, keeping them in the gene pool? biological entropy (imagine incest for 1000 generations on the extreme for example) guarantees that without selective pressure, humans become ugly genetic garbage monsters

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

the logical progression will be no one is perfect and will eugenithize everyone. If one believes in evolution then you would want races to mix, if ony white people mate you have less genetic diversity and it's large scale incest. One theory I have is Obama was able to take power because he was smart and had some of the top genetics from africa and some of the top white american genetics (related to lot of past presidents thru his stanley dunham mom). His black dad was from africa yeah but he was a phD the rare smart kind.

[–]sodomytron 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

large scale incest

wrong faggot

top genetics from africa

the little bean head? the mongoloid being top genetics of africa looool

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

he fucked a hot white girl something you will never achieve.

it's like how a lot of immigration is to USA where they are allowed in to go to our colleges. Top smartest kids from rich families, cream of the crops. I do think it should be halted as it hurts us economically. The smartest types of black people are in africa, the dumbest were grabbed in slavery centuries ago and their ancestors are in USA now. I don't see a real african american becoming president any time soon, Obama had direct from africa blood, no slave DNA.

all thru history empires become stagnant and then become conquered, raped and pillaged and their women impregnanted by superior dna from the invaders. The civlizations DNA becomes incestualized and weak, this is happening to white america right now. Hence why it is so soy and cucked.

[–]sodomytron 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

i know things about an anonymous person online that i can't possibly know

didn't read beyond that. literal nigger iq tier post

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

you're just an example of what I'm talking about, a low IQ product of incest from a small town in the south

[–]sodomytron 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

no u

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

To some extent, it depends on his reasons. He's stated the defensive war thesis. I've never gotten around to researching the time period enough to evaluate it. I've heard there is a great book called Human Smoke, written by a pacifist (so not a Nazi) on the issue. My library only has it as audio book, so I skipped it.

I don't exactly see how the invasion of France was defensive, but I'll listen to someone.

[–]Chipit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It was to take care of Germany's backside so that they could destroy the USSR unimpeded. It obviously didn't work, but that was the idea.

Hitler wanted to ally with Britain, something forgotten today. That's why he let the British Army go at Dunkirk. Without their army, Britain's colonies would all revolt and the British empire would be finished. A great tragedy to be avoided! Hitler made a generous peace offer after France was defeated, only to have it rejected with the vigorous opposition of Churchill the warmonger (and he was a warmonger who never wasted a chance to waste the lives of British soldiers). This was the "Cabinet Crisis" of 1940.

A peace offer was what Rudolf Hess parachuted into Britain with. It's why he was kept incommunicado his whole life, long after ex-Nazis had been rehabilitated and released into West Germany to assist the postwar rebuilding (they were short on elites and badly needed them). This was the cause for much agitation by Communists in the 60s and 70s, and resulted in the famous poll where something like a third of West Germans said they would give shelter to a blood-soaked terrorist fleeing the police.

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hitler wanted to ally with Britain, something forgotten today.

I have heard that recently from studying Mencius Moldbug.

Churchill the warmonger (and he was a warmonger who never wasted a chance to waste the lives of British soldiers)

Another series of dots people don't connect is that Churchill not only completely opposed Ghandi, but when he took to giving speeches he used the same language denigrating "appeasement" that he would later use against the Third Reich.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Chipit my dude, we've had disagreements, but I am glad to see you are as interested in actual truth as I am, apparently. Excellent and truthful post.

[–]aThievingStableboy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

esteetas

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, I was trying to be patient. Now that he's at "watch the world burn," I'll just let it pass.

I had time to kill.

[–]aThievingStableboy[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

ste

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I like the nazis too, they are the good guys.

Wait, you are a Jew, aren't you?

[–]aThievingStableboy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

asetaset

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh, no. The argument for National Socialist Fascism was never defeated on an intellectual level. And, here's the kicker: IT CANNOT BE DEFEATED intellectually. Only lies and deceit can make people believe it has. Nice try, rabbi.

[–]aThievingStableboy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

awetaset

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are no evil nazis, by definition.