Question to RadFems: was there good reason for banning the GC sub-reddit? Like threats, doxxing, etc. from GC users. Or was it all internal reddit politics and simply not bowing to the transgender movement that got GC banned?

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[–]JollyPurple 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Look at what happened to r/superstraight, it's exactly what happened to the GC subreddit.

Notice how they said that the sub and everyone in it was transphobic and violent and the alt-right and nazis. They did that to GC members. Claiming we were the violent threatening ones. When it reality it was all projection. They were the ones making violent threats and more.

Anywhere you see someone calling someone a TERF or transphobic really examine the situation. You've seen it with your own eyes now, the lies they make up. Most of the time it's just someone that doesn't agree with the dogma of the trans community.

Same thing as superstraight. You don't agree with them, your sexuality is wrong to them, so you instantly become a nazi, or TERF, or alt-right, or Qanon. Or some other garbage. And then they scream and scream in the public sphere that these people (supers and gc men and women) are nazis and want trans people dead and the media and organizations freak and refuse to even look at the situation because they are so scared of being canceled, so they just take the trans community's word for it.

And that's where we are. One side, the gc members and supers, not making violent threats being peaceful in our own groups being hurled with violent threats, rape threats, murder threats, told we are Nazis, and more while the other group completely gets away with it while the public has no idea because they instantly shut their ears and eyes because they don't want to be "on the side of Nazis".

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great post, Jolly Purple - and really accurate.

[–]GConly 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Nope.

I posted there regularly. The mods were super in top of offensive terms like 'tranny', no doxxing, no threats of violence.. nothing. All very quiet and fact based.

Basically the trans mods there wanted us gone, because of the increasing number of subscribers. People were reading what we said. Couldn't have that.

We had the bad taste to post a LOT of data they didn't want the public to see, regarding offending behaviour, personal experiences and so on. How most of them were intact males, they never had childhood GD, most were heterosexual etc.

It also had debunks of things like claims for high child suicide rate and victimsation rate.

Basically proved all their claims were bullshit.

[–]JulienMayfair 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Agreed. I was a male lurking on and occasionally commenting on GC, and for all the reasons you state, GC had become the prize target for TRAs. It was the one subreddit above all others that they wanted GONE, particularly because it had done such a good job of debunking and showing the logical contradictions in TRA arguments. Its very existence infuriated them. The TRAs were very much involved in Reddit's policy shift.

One of the stories they documented was how a transwoman went into a workshop for pregnant women and made all the women there uncomfortable, getting creepily familiar with them. And the woman running the workshop was afraid to do anything about it for fear of being called 'transphobic' and getting fired.

[–]GConly 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One of the stories they documented was how a transwoman went into a workshop for pregnant women

Yep, I remember that one.

Apparently they are encouraged to do it, it's called "colonisation".

[–]1st_Class_Mail_Ally[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How most of them were intact males, they never had childhood GD, most were heterosexual etc.

So to get this straight (no pun lol) the Reddit Admins/Powermods were born as males who liked women, then wanted to become women, but after attempting to become women they were still attracted to women, making them pseudo-lesbian TIMs? And the last thing a pseudo-lesbian TIM wants is a forum of RadFem women who won't accommodate their antics?

[–]GConly 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not all of them

But yes a shit load of their power mods are full on AGPs, and hate lesbians that won't acknowledge them as women.

Best known is Drewiepoodle, a full on AGP Asian guy, who looks like a guy.

I've seen that ass lie his fake tits off on activist posts intended to mislead the public. He deletes the recent science debunking the wrong sex brain bullshit, and he does his best to keep dissenting opinions and awkward facts off Reddit as a whole.

[–]1st_Class_Mail_Ally[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I have seen some of the gay guy subs critical of FTMs in a similar way that GC was of MTFs (i.e. critical of the "not liking ___ is transphobic" narrative) but none of the gay subs have really gotten the hammer in the same way.

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LGBdroptheT got banned, and I think a few other gay subs - anyone remember?

BTW:

s/LGBdroptheT is a great sub - please check it out!

[–]GConly 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I suspect it's because most of the trans mods are transbians.

Gay men not be wanting pussy is way less of an issue to them than lesbians not wanting them.

[–]zyxzevn 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

It is a trick that the violent left activists commonly use on reddit.
The attackers usually pretend to be someone else and place threats, and send private messages.
Tnen they also report this and give it as an example of why a sub should be banned.
Usually this is organized via a chat-group.
They are also connected to some admins that are looking for reasons to ban a sub.

I have followed /r/reclassified and /r/declineintocensorship for a while, and they reported many tricks in which the attackers tried to push the banning of certain subs.

It is part of their cancel culture: it is an aggressive mob of people having no soul.
(A soul gives the capability to think for yourself and see another individual as unique)

[–]usehername 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

These tactics were going on, but eventually they just classified not believing in their ideology as "hate speech" and took the entire thing down.

[–]zyxzevn 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think this "ideology" should be renamed to "psychological problem".

[–]usehername 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's both.

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

NPR even profiled the Reddit activists I think that you're talking about, and their sub, which was r/AgainstHateSubs (the Hate sub called itself Against Hate Subs). Reading the NPR piece I felt as if I were in an alternate universe because they treated these monsters as if they were crusaders against evil and on the Right Side of History.

[–]Britishbulldog 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Think it was politics. Was active in that sub in the last few months and did not see evidence of threats or doxing. This was at a similar time LGBDroptheT and GCDebatesQT went.

[–]worried19 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, our small debate sub got hit in the second banwave for "hate speech." We had tons of trans posters, two trans women moderators, and strict rules against misgendering, slurs, and other dehumanizing language.

None of it was enough. Reddit just didn't want to allow the discussions to take place. By the way, we've regrouped here if anyone wants to join us: s/GCDebatesQT

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I started lurking on r/GenderCritical when it had about 5000 subscribers, so maybe around 2017 or 2016. It was women talking about the erosion of women's rights, women's spaces and women's sports due to gender ideology (that's what I call it).

r/GenderCritical was possibly one of the most sane and polite places on Reddit. There were differences of opinion but the mods were very strict and also very strict that it didn't become a I Hate Trans sub. There was zero reason to ban it.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It doesn't matter how well behaved you are, or how well your community is moderated. If you're actually challenging the powerful, sooner or later you will be banned.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The detrans mods talk about the process of getting subs banned or taken over quite well.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1288947357393059840.html

https://youtu.be/n2HYucdoUuk

[–]kwallio 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Basically anything critical of any trans ever is transphobia, according to the mods of ahs. GC really didn't do anything, and the mods repeatedly reached out to reddit admins asking why the sub was banned and what could be done to reinstate it but got nothing but hate back.