Saidit's 'free speech' is under attack from the new admin, who is of course a tranny. Check the moderation logs and see individual user posts to see what is being removed and ask yourself "is this level of censorship in line with saidit's rules, or are they serving a personal agenda'.

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[–]Comatoast 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (28 children)

All the [deleted] posts were spam and the dudes from Ironleft, from what I've seen. In line with Saidit or not, they were banned and then kept ban evading with a billion other usernames shitting up the front page and being massive cunts. Kinda wish there were device bans for them, since they've pretty much proven complete irredeemability by continuing to show up and shit up.

[–]magnora7 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (15 children)

Yup. And they'll post obviously fake comments and then use fake accounts to upvote their comment to the top of the thread. Then when I delete it, the first comment says "deleted" when everyone loads the thread. They've been doing this a lot lately...

They spoof their device IDs and their IPs, so there's no way to tag them and pre-emptively ban them. That's why this is such a problem. They've got an awful lot of techniques they've developed to perfect these attacks.

[–]Comatoast 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

Is there any way to just remove the whole OP posts altogether before people start responding to it? I think that may be contributing towards the questions about censorship, because to users that haven't been exposed to or know what's going on it simply looks like some rando got his account deleted for a regular post.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Yeah, but to do that I would have to watch the new/comments feed literally 24 hours a day, which isn't really an option

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

You do have more than enough volunteer labor to watch the feed 24/7 if you want it/trust people not to powertrip. I was joking about making me an admin, I really don't want to moderate people because people treat you differently and it defeats why I go on forums but if you need people to just clean up spam you have a ton of people here who absolutely love saidit and just want to see it succeed.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You do have more than enough volunteer labor to watch the feed 24/7 if you want it/trust people not to powertrip

You'd think so, but most people in practice have the same attitude as you. "Id rather it not affect my ability to comment and post, I don't want to ruin my user experience" which I understand. Also it's a lot of work, so I don't want to try to force anyone to do it who doesn't want to.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

the answer is easy.

the users who are willing to clean up spam make new accounts and don't let anyone know who they are. I you accepted my offer, i'd spin up an account and use that, keeping me able to keep being bobbobbybob without exposing myself or the site to drama.

wrt to the spam, many hands make light work. Just send more difficult stuff up the chain and not get involved in it

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Frankly, I assumed most of the people in positions of "power" on this site and most others always used separate accounts for their administrative duties.

[–]Comatoast 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Not if you want to exist as a functional being outside of your keyboard, I get it. I'm not sure what to suggest to resolve it though.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah no one knows how to fix it. That's why almost every single forum is super fucked up these days. It's the unsolvable problem that's destroying real culture. The only real solution is to hire a team of people to watch the feed 24/7, and that's quite expensive. But that's what most major sites do.

[–]Comatoast 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Eh, not necessarily paying them. Can I PM you?

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sure, but you're suggesting getting a volunteer team of people to watch the feed? The thing is that most of the people who volunteer for that job are shills trying to hijack the site, so it makes it very difficult to find someone who isn't a shill.

[–]Chipit 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

They're pros. Or they're using new tools developed by pros. You gotta realize, the US govt and its contractors spent the last 20 years fighting insurgencies both in the field and online. They got really good at it. Now they're turning their power to bear on us. Their goal isn't even to "win" arguments online. Their goal is to demoralize the enemy and make him quit out of exhaustion. Yuri Berezemov style.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yup it's just to make everything so chaotic and confusing with such intensity and duration that everyone just simply gives up out of mental and emotional exhaustion.

[–]Chipit 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Don't let the bastards win, man. Fight the good fight. More people than you know support you.

[–]magnora7 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks, I appreciate the kind words. Trying my best.

[–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hang in there dude. We are all in this together.

[–]Chipit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah iron left were just site disrupters not interested in any kind of conversation. Paid social media influencers I'm sure.

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

It would be neat if they wouldn't make an effort to send out personal DMs to make sure that their points are seen. Either way, it would be incredible if they were paid to frolic off elsewhere.

[–]Chipit 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

We have to realize that we're in a new era of social media. We the people are increasingly being not just silenced, but disrupted and demoralized so that we won't even bother communicating with each other any more. Today's soldiers don't carry guns but macbooks.

Our rulers have figured out if they let us talk with each other freely, we will figure out their schemes and more to the point figure out that we don't need them and would be better off without them. It's war. They're defending themselves from us.

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Social media is just a form of social engineering, more or less, yeah? It's a great tactic, to exhaust someone from even bothering to make an effort to speak anymore.

You know, there was a little website that I worked for under 1099 that had job roles dealing with social media. Some of it was just labeling things and sifting out porn, but there were other projects that dealt with "fact checking" for social media sites. I never took those projects on but I wonder if there wasn't something going on there too. When random 1099 workers have the ability to screech out that information is false or take further measures to remove it/send it further top for reprimanding/whatever, that's got potential to crush folks that have opposing opinions.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They're defending themselves from us.

And they're defending their exploitation mafia systems for full spectrum dominance and a monopoly on violence.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

[removed] is admin/mod action. [deleted] is user action. If tam hadn't deleted the posts from the ironleft dudes, you'd know that, as they were really informative.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

If tam hadn't deleted the posts from the ironleft dudes

Those are the posts you've been talking about? I just chalked that up to removing spam. I admit I enjoy some of their stuff too but those guys have an agenda. They're weird fuckers.

But with that firehose idea it would fix this whole thing.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I was only referring to a single iron left post, but i've observed all sorts of posts vanish. stuff on social media warfare, antifa and a few others that had a fair bit of discussion going on in them. Just excessive. btw. do you remember m7 ever criticising tam's mad turn, or was he fully supportive when he got back, because he's trying to tell me he called tam out on it and i'm a loser.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think I was here when m7 came back. I was pissed and stayed away for a bit.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

he wrote a post saying "i am back": https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/7fpp/i_am_back/

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

firehose idea

wondered what you were talking about. magnora7 removed the link..... found it from the log, he removed it because it 'had already been posted', and that post has been removed too...

censorship has gone nuts

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a shame, I thought that'd fix a number of problems.