you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (39 children)

/u/diogenesjunior was banned for some unclear reason and /u/anescapee seems to have self-deleted

u/Earendil is banned too now. He wrote quality comments. Not going to be anyone here to talk to soon.

Note: Amelia stop removing my goddamned comments, you aren't a reddit admin ffs.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

What the flying fuck?!?!

THIS is what a few of my forthcoming projects will address. We need ACCOUNTABLE, BETTER, and TRANSPARENT systems in place. People are being disappeared and few know about it - or why.

I don't know what /u/diogenesjunior did to deserve the wrath of M7, but from what he showed me it was a typical M7 meltdown. DioJr didn't spend a lot of effort laying it out, as he was pissed. It seemed kinda sketchy. It's even more sketchy that he selfishly deleted all of his posts and comments so that if he couldn't have them no one could, or something like that. I've been on the verge of organizing a campaign to restore him and his stuff, but I don't want to back the wrong horse on the off chance he deserved it.

I also thought /u/Earendil was one of the good ones too, though I didn't get to know him as well. Though how can anyone know anyone on these anon boards. If there's a better forum I'd love to hear about it. Until then I'm here. But I'm no longer sitting by, and will soon be sharing my ideas on next-gen forums.

Early on I said we need a town square. Sure there'd be drama, and sure there's be drama-mongers, but they could be dealt with, and more importantly - at least people could have their case heard by their peers. Currently there's only M7. Sure it's a mighty burden - but he's take that on by himself and CHOSEN to not delegate any of it, much less ask for help, ideas, etc. SaidIt is coasting, adrift without goals nor a future.

To call magnora7 a monarch or dictator is an insult to royalty and tyranny, as they at least have support. M7 brought wonderful new ideas to fruition, but since then he's kept it all close to his chest, secret, opaque, mismanaged, inconsistent, and seemingly aimless. I can't even be restored from being unjustly banned a few places (ie. https://saidit.net/s/vampires/about/log). That said, everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. I'm not here to shit on M7. It doesn't look good on him, me, or SaidIt. I'm here (or soon will be posting) to constructively criticize and build upon and improve things. M7 is a giant, who stands on the shoulders of other giants. IMO, we could be giants too - taller, flexible, resilient, fair, etc. I would hope that if my seed ideas were to grow, improved by other ideas, hopefully even replaced by better ideas - I would hope that M7 would join in that effort. I'm not about replacing so much as evolving.

Presently I'm cleaning up my sub ideas and I have a few more posts to go. I suppose thereafter I should present my trinity of next-gen-forum projects: 1) a better democratic system (a first draft of my grand concept framework, hoping for improving feedback), 2) a better ergonomic GUI with vastly superior functionality and "bridging", 3) coding/dev/building discussions. I'm no coder, but I can start the conversation and hope others can capably run with it. Even if no one steps up, I can animate a simulation of how my revolutionary next-gen forum might work.

We, not just SaidIt, need to also build a series of liberty manifestos, for lack of a better term. That's yet another series of projects. These would be clear plans for everyone to improve upon, from which to start out in a unified direction, even if the path wanders a bit. More on these soon. I know this is a lot, but it's all critically necessary. And I haven't even touched on my media and personal projects. I lost a dozen years to big pharma, but I'm ready to direct animation and creative projects again.

In 10 or 20 or 30 years there's no way SaidIt will remain much like it is now. I'm certainly not suggesting that SaidIt must die or be subverted or any such thing. What I am saying is that on this forum we can plan the next forum, and it need not be like this.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What the flying fuck?!?!

THIS is what a few of my forthcoming projects will address. We need ACCOUNTABLE, BETTER, and TRANSPARENT systems in place.

How can the "out of the frying pan, and into the fire" scenario be avoided.

At this point, Saidit is in the hands of a philosopher king (or benevolent dictator ), who carved out his own country.

Many concerns are legitimate.

I'm not trying to marginalize anyone's situation.

Overall, the situation amounts to 1st World Problems. Although, first world problems are sometimes shitty.
For example, if you live in Texas right now... !

M7 isn't a vindictive person Far from it.

Move on, make an alt account that is similar in name to the previous, and minimize whatever infraction(s).

That's what the shills do. Some shills can be cool, and will make friends with you. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as long as you are experienced enough to recognize the difference.

If you haven't been burned by a shill buddy, then you're not experienced enough.
Even so, most never know for sure who is who.

Also, shills aren't necessarily bad people. However, they do have an agenda, etc.
It's unfortunate.

People are being disappeared and few know about it - or why.

Getting banned is crap.

M7 doesn't enjoy banning people, and on occasion he probably second guesses himself.

He's in a difficult situation. If you make exceptions regularly, then when do you (re)draw the line.
At some point the endlessly redrawn line becomes meaningless.

I don't have the answers. I can throw out suggestions, but they're only suggestions, and IMO we shouldn't attempt to force anything.

Perhaps, there could be a banning process.

Possibly, also a conditional banned/suspended log. You need XYZ points to be eligible for the log.
We wouldn't want a huge banner of obvious banned shills and advertisers, etc., And they don't deserve the effort.

There could be a threshold of content/comment input, or similar.

Include a comment section for redress of grievance.

Again, I don't have the answers.

I do know:

  • We live in an era of extreme censorship.
  • shills use divide and conquer tactics, so democracy can easily be hijacked.
  • "out of the frying pan, and into the fire" scenario be avoided. This is a luke warm frying pan, at best. Biogenesseñior, or whatever. Don't go with ziogenesejunior. Bad form.
  • Dictatorship by a philosopher king is overall preferable to most alternatives. Particularly, when someone else put in the work.

To the last point, I applaud JC's effort to start his own country. If he wants to go democratic, then it will be a great experiment.

I'd caution against causing a revolt in the only quasi-peaceful dictatorship in the world. Sometimes it's a better system.
Dictatorship is much more difficult to infiltrate, corrupt, etc. This is crucial in this era of tragic censorship.

I vote "NO" for democratizing Saidit. Which, is hilarious.

I fully support JC in his endeavors.

This is not a zero-sum-gain situation.
With luck, we could have both Saidit, and JC Land.

I would discourage you from throwing "sand" in JC Land... ;-)

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

He refuses to clearly define the line with examples. We need to see what has gone down before. Too many people play it safer than they need to for fear of the ambiguity.

(Similarly most YouTube creators who remain have all gone soft now. It's a tedious distraction now. I'm eager to shift my paradigm and finally drop YouTube.)

I still have 2 (or more) strikes and an axe over my head from 2 years ago. M7 hasn't said otherwise. I've argued the strikes need expiry dates, though it seems like enemies are playing long games of 8 months or more. More importantly, I'm still not sure what it was specifically that upset him enough to declare the strikes and/or which conflicts (certainly more than 2) he even referred to.

but they're only suggestions, and IMO we shouldn't attempt to force anything.

Why not? It's his site but it's our community. There has to be give and take on all sides.

Perhaps, there could be a banning process.

YES!

This is what I've been calling for, most recently here. I want SaidIt to be better, and much of that may depends on M7 opening up. If I wanted to subvert SaidIt I'd have already started my own SaidIt instance with more democratic transparency and tried to lure people over. M7 and I are +97% in alignment with our primary objectives.

Something like this I proposed a while back but forgot until now is a deescalation alternative. When things get hot, often logic goes out the window - on both sides. Only one has the power. Picture admin banning someone for 2 days, long enough for everyone to cool down, take stock, build cases, etc. Next level would be 2 weeks. Next level would be 2 months. Then final.

Why so many steps? Because people put a lot of effort in here. I was banned from Quora for no good reason, with no warning, and all my work was stolen from me - as well as everyone's I interacted with. We had some great content - all gone. SaidIt is not the same, but it's devastating to lose it all, and obviously some people react regrettably (DioJr., Snow, etc) and delete their content out of spite.

We wouldn't want a huge banner of obvious banned shills and advertisers, etc., And they don't deserve the effort.

Obviously you don't put the banned list on the front page. It doesn't matter how long the list is. If you must defend/justify the length of the list then just write a fucking paragraph or essay explaining the perpetual bot/culture/crypto/info/propaganda/shill/spam war (preferably with examples). Make these lists self-generating and automatic so that M7 and other admins are not further burdened. There's ZERO excuse why not to have transparent open records. If anything, the volume of attacks would only prove our cause is righteous and we're unjustly attacked by the organized crime of corrupt-establishment-defending minions.

[–][deleted]  (24 children)

[deleted]

    [–][deleted]  (4 children)

    [deleted]

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      What needs to be done?

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      People are afraid to comment. You say the wrong thing or post in the wrong place and... That's it. We came here to get away from that.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I don't even want to deal with anything other than ads.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

      How could lxxxviii possibly take down SaidIt from behind the scenes? What is ILoveCher?

      I understand there may be some security issues, but if we aren't aware of them, then we can't build a next-gen forum that's resistant to them, as well as future larger ops. I don't need to know specifics (I don't code) but others on the team will, and I expect folks like /u/d3rr, /u/Jesus, and /u/Tom_Bombadil will want to weigh in on the next-gen forum projects I'll be proposing soon.

      Everyone has their reasons for doing shit. Doesn't make them right. M7 founded this site and has exclusive right to run it as he sees fit. We have 100% right to not like it and to express our dissatisfaction until he bans us. Some of his policies are problematic and the lack of consistency is MUCH more problematic. Worse than those is lack of democracy. There is no shortage of ways to arrange systems to manage things better and democratically, yet still remain under his veto powers. More minds are better than one ego. He has refused every single time without exception. Either he has a tremendous blind spot or he is determined to self-sabotage and stunt the potential of SaidIt - making this place a limited hangout of sorts.

      Yes, M7 most certainly has meltdowns with a typical behaviour. He is human, and under a lot of stress (much self-imposed), and when he cracks on occasion, his logic goes out the window, things become black and white and extremist, and he'll make paranoid nonsense accusations at people, claiming they're determined to destroy SaidIt simply because they don't see eye to eye. It's one thing to be ignorant or wrong about something but it's a completely different matter to be liar with malicious intent to deceive. Liar is a completely inappropriate word he's resorted to throwing around, made worse with the weight carried with his position. I could go on, but I won't. He's human, as we all are, and if anyone doubts my words you may ask other respected Saiditors if I am not correct. PM me and I can give you witnesses/references.

      It's NOT my goal to attack M7. He is human, and IMO, he is a great hero. There are MANY heroes on SaidIt. Systems are flawed, yet he doesn't foster arenas for improvements. We can do better. He can help. Personally, I WANT him to help with the next-gen forum dev. He has deep experience, insights, and wisdom. All hope is NOT lost. If nothing else, pass that on. The light at the end of the tunnel is coming, and thought it's not heaven it will be better.

      It's been a long time coming, but I think I have seed ideas we can all embrace, improve, and build upon, and if M7's ego and need for ultimate control can be tempered then he could certainly be on the lead team, perhaps even the ultimate head of it again. He's been talking about setting up several SaidIt-like forums, but IMO that's not the best long-term solution (in fact I think it would be divisive and negative overall to build separate echo-chambers). It may be possible and practical with what exists in the short term, but I'm thinking beyond what exists to what we'll need in the future. More soon.

      It's not a bit far. M7 is neither a dictator nor a monarch, but his executive power on SaidIt is irrefutable. He's chosen to be the judge, jury, and executioner, alone.

      Removing /s/Vampires from /s/all doesn't "fix" the mod abuse. He needs to be schooled to correct it and/or modify his sidebox with clearly understood exception rules (not esoteric mumbo-jumbo). Same with /s/IronLeft and other power-mods who censor willy-nilly when it's clearly against SaidIt's policies. Reddit-like mod abuses must be tamed or stomped.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      How could lxxxviii possibly take down SaidIt from behind the scenes?

      He wants to burry SaidIt beneath a mountain of spam and troll posts, so people's speech is never seen.

      What is ILoveCher?

      A troll who spammed porn and advocating for violence constantly. Magnora banned him, like, eighty times, and I banned him a dozen times.

      I understand there may be some security issues, but if we aren't aware of them

      I'm not entirely sure what they are, and I was explicitly told not to talk about the ones I do know about.

      Everyone has their reasons for doing shit. Doesn't make them right.

      Yeah.

      M7 founded this site and has exclusive right to run it as he sees fit. We have 100% right to not like it and to express our dissatisfaction until he bans us.

      Mhm. I do agree with you on some things, and I honestly quite dislike administrating the way M7 does.

      Worse than those is lack of democracy.

      I agree. I really hate banning people without letting them defend themself, and would personally have trouble making an important decision without asking the user-base.

      He has refused every single time without exception.

      Oh.

      Yes, M7 most certainly has meltdowns with a typical behaviour. He is human, and under a lot of stress (much self-imposed), and when he cracks on occasion, his logic goes out the window, things become black and white and extremist, and he'll make paranoid nonsense accusations at people, claiming they're determined to destroy SaidIt simply because they don't see eye to eye.

      I had no idea.

      Systems are flawed, yet he doesn't foster arenas for improvements.

      I have a lot of reservations about the website, but have yet to publicly express them. There are some things I'm not able to talk about, though, for security reasons.

      It's been a long time coming, but I think I have seed ideas we can all embrace, improve, and build upon

      Great, looking forward to them.

      in fact I think it would be divisive and negative overall to build separate echo-chambers

      Yeah, but he's convinced it's the way to go.

      his executive power on SaidIt is irrefutable. He's chosen to be the judge, jury, and executioner, alone.

      That's certainly true. And that's currently the power I now have in his absence, and I hate it.

      Removing /s/Vampires from /s/all doesn't "fix" the mod abuse. He needs to be schooled to correct it and/or modify his sidebox with clearly understood exception rules (not esoteric mumbo-jumbo). Same with /s/IronLeft and other power-mods who censor willy-nilly when it's clearly against SaidIt's policies. Reddit-like mod abuses must be tamed or stomped.

      Yeah, but I don't want to go too far with it. I was going to talk to him, but it seems that his account is inactive.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Decentralized sites to co-indie-host instances is most certainly the way to go. Spread out across the Interwebs, co-host at work, at home, and all the places individuals maintain control over. Fuck corporations and their strangleholds. Provide "free" wi-fi and B.A.T.M.A.N. networks. IMO every capable human should have decentralized home and/or office servers, just like they have appliances.

      But dividing up the community is a bad idea, IMO. If the subs had actually been managed years back, then people would be able to share community-packs (for lack of a better term) collecting topical subs into categories/packs. I tried to categorize the subs into multi-subs years ago.

      Simplistic options to join might include:

      • Politics Pack
      • Progressive Pack
      • Conservative Pack
      • Conspiracy Pack
      • Non-Partisan Pack
      • Solutions Pack
      • Wellness Pack
      • Counter-Culture Pack
      • Geek Pack
      • DIY Pack
      • Hobbies Pack
      • Video Pack
      • Gaming Pack
      • etc etc etc

      I would expect many people would stay within their interests. Further, folks in these communities would decide what subs are included or not.

      It would be like a better managed filter level between /s/all and the chaos of all the subs. IMO, without knowing anything about coding, it would still be very possible and practical for the current SaidIt, though sorting through the hundreds of subs would be a pain, but once accomplished could be very worth while.

      yet he doesn't foster arenas for improvements.

      I have a lot of reservations about the website, but have yet to publicly express them.

      I think you should express them, especially in the next-gen forum discussions. Omit security issues or discuss them as hypotheticals.

      It doesn't take a genius to ask for suggestions and help. I created /s/IdeasForSaidit, /s/SaidItSurveys, and others to help foster teamwork. I'm quite positive those subs could be thriving if he'd bothered to cultivate a team spirit and community towards perpetual improvement. I don't know what mires him down (besides global tyranny). It's still not too late for some of this, even as we develop the next-gen ideas, we'll still need this platform to be firm to evolve from, ideally bringing all of this content along too.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Decentralization seems kind of cool, but it could be abused if it's too decentralized. That would solve the issue of mod abuse, though, since someone else could just make a new, for example, politics server and users could switch over.

      I do plan on talking about a few things, and want to be part of the community.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Yes, decentralization has some serious tribalizing issues. And they can be discussed and perhaps remedied. I have a bunch of abstract ideas (I'm no coder), and can brainstorm more, but they aren't worth bringing up unless folks get serious about developing a Next-Gen Forum.

      [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Honestly, there are probably more bots and people here trying to subert and destroy this platform then there are not.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I suspect you're correct.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

      everyone I don't like is lxuvviii

      [–][deleted]  (10 children)

      [deleted]

        [–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

        your insanity grows unchecked.

        The reason we should not allow tranny mods is because transgenderism is a mental illness. It requires a false belief so central to a person's identity that reality vanishes.

        That level of self-delusion is central to the person's identity, a fundamental part of their psyche. On any subject, the tranny will embrace false beliefs that support their identity (the good guy, the wronged guy, the caring mod, whatever the fuck it is) and create whatever tortuous mental constructs that are required to support that belief. They are good at self deception, and so become bastions of utter insanity, fucking up everything they touch

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        You don't care about me being trans, you're just trying to appeal to the right.

        [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        He's not even appealing when the lights are off.

        [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        you are, yet again, incorrect in your assumptions about my intentions or motivations. That's probably due to your central delusional belief system

        [–]Questionable 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

        I do not believe people can grow and learn if they are simply ostracized or excluded. I believe this is the wrong approach. This is a very small site, and these conflicts will ultimately prove to be moot.

        [–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        i don't care if peoplegrow and learn. I'm not a parent on this site. I want a space for adults.

        [–]Questionable 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        People grow into adults.

        [–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        They can do that elsewhere, then come here

        [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        LOL, You be judge?

        [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Your overly simplistic narrow mind can't handle bigger ideas, so don't speak on them to avoid broadcasting your ignorance and your own mental illnesses. Also, consider taking some LSD and/or ecstasy to break the cherry of your consciousness. I suspect it may do you some good. You have a lot of potential, it's be a shame not to develop it.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

        u/Earendil and I've exchanged lengthy PMs recently about our agreement that he should not bave been banned, and how we've disagreed on nearly everything in the past (and perhaps still do), but we agree he should not have been banned. He, you, and a few others (inc. /u/diogenesjunior) here on Saidit can at least carry on a debate, rather than just send insults, and he'll be missed. /u/JasonCarswell's contributions will hopefully continue, even it not as a mod. I sometimes note that I am not sure how long I'll remain, and as I login this morning I see only alt-right misinformation and propaganda on the front page (default subs), and think I don't want to comment on them today (which I'm sure doesn't matter a whole lot). In any event, it's interesting to read the dialogue below between /u/JasonCarswell and /u/TheAmeliaMay, which is the most informative development today on Saidit. I hope those of us who don't mind arguing on this site will remain.

        [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

        Well written, Socks. Amelia has banned like 10% of the active users though.

        This isn't reddit, we can't just toss away people willy nilly and people came here to get away from that.

        [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        That's not cool. Tell me/us more. We need a serious review/discussion outlining whatever criteria are being employed to ban users. Are they ex-Voat folks who prefer to troll? Are they humans who occasionally dive in the gutter but don't dwell there? Who, what, why, how?

        The fact that we don't know these things nor have a place (ie. town square) where we can easily find out this kind of thing is a travesty. My new seed ideas address these, and perhaps we can build a better forum.

        It was in my forthcoming plans, but maybe it's already time to create /s/PhoenixForum™, /s/PhoenixUtopia™, /s/PhoenixRules™, /s/PhoenixGUI™, and/or /s/PhoenixDev™ to plant some dreams, build on ideas, and start making the next big thing, openly and democratically.

        A better name than "Phoenix Forum" might be in order. Perhaps we should have a SaidIt contest for the best next-gen forum name?

        [–]Questionable 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        "Amelia has banned like 10% of the active users though."

        .

        That's not cool.

        A simple review of the mod logs of the subs he controls shows him only banning 2 users for spam/porn. Am I missing something here?

        [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Sort of. Musk stated fake news for some reason. I haven't gone back to familiarize myself with all of last weeks SaidIt drama, or before. I was deep in pain or my long posts or family drama. So I don't know what Musk is referring to specifically.

        My comment had dual meanings. It's not cool if true, it's not cool if fake news.

        If I'm not mistaken /u/TheAmeliaMay had admin privileges to deal with spam. During M7's Texan Winter absence Amelia was trying to deal with the mounting problems the best way possible under the circumstances.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Amelia has banned like 10% of the active users though.

        That's one-hundred percent a lie. You're spreading misinformation, and it's obvious why. Earendil, Jason, and I are trying to work together to help improve SaidIt — but you're just making the situation worse. Try to meaningfully contribute, or keep your mouth shut.

        There's a clear divide growing between those who want to reform SaidIt — like Earendil and I — and those who want to tear it down — like LXXXVIII. I thought you'd be happy that I admitted I was wrong, and want to do better, but apparently not.

        [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        I appreciate your insightful input. My contributions will soon be of a very different nature. I hope you'll check it out and chose to participate. Having your contrarian input would be very helpful. Utopian dreams need dystopian holes poked through it to better improve the Utopia, etc etc etc - a cycle that can manifest a more practical understanding and navigation of reality. Futhermore, I expect we'll find much more common ground in some of these projects that are not about politics and arguing debates, but about common ground, alternatives, and solutions, including next-gen forums and original media content.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        I decided to reverse u/Earendil's ban, although he dragged discussion down the Pyramid of Debate a few times. We talked it out and decided to let it go. He said he wanted to do better, and I agreed to talk with people before banning them.

        I still don't know what's up with dio.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

        Freedom! Thank you!

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        No, thank you.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        This is brilliant.