I'm Un-Modding From My Subs About Power, Corruption & Lies

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

What the flying fuck?!?!

THIS is what a few of my forthcoming projects will address. We need ACCOUNTABLE, BETTER, and TRANSPARENT systems in place. People are being disappeared and few know about it - or why.

I don't know what /u/diogenesjunior did to deserve the wrath of M7, but from what he showed me it was a typical M7 meltdown. DioJr didn't spend a lot of effort laying it out, as he was pissed. It seemed kinda sketchy. It's even more sketchy that he selfishly deleted all of his posts and comments so that if he couldn't have them no one could, or something like that. I've been on the verge of organizing a campaign to restore him and his stuff, but I don't want to back the wrong horse on the off chance he deserved it.

I also thought /u/Earendil was one of the good ones too, though I didn't get to know him as well. Though how can anyone know anyone on these anon boards. If there's a better forum I'd love to hear about it. Until then I'm here. But I'm no longer sitting by, and will soon be sharing my ideas on next-gen forums.

Early on I said we need a town square. Sure there'd be drama, and sure there's be drama-mongers, but they could be dealt with, and more importantly - at least people could have their case heard by their peers. Currently there's only M7. Sure it's a mighty burden - but he's take that on by himself and CHOSEN to not delegate any of it, much less ask for help, ideas, etc. SaidIt is coasting, adrift without goals nor a future.

To call magnora7 a monarch or dictator is an insult to royalty and tyranny, as they at least have support. M7 brought wonderful new ideas to fruition, but since then he's kept it all close to his chest, secret, opaque, mismanaged, inconsistent, and seemingly aimless. I can't even be restored from being unjustly banned a few places (ie. https://saidit.net/s/vampires/about/log). That said, everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. I'm not here to shit on M7. It doesn't look good on him, me, or SaidIt. I'm here (or soon will be posting) to constructively criticize and build upon and improve things. M7 is a giant, who stands on the shoulders of other giants. IMO, we could be giants too - taller, flexible, resilient, fair, etc. I would hope that if my seed ideas were to grow, improved by other ideas, hopefully even replaced by better ideas - I would hope that M7 would join in that effort. I'm not about replacing so much as evolving.

Presently I'm cleaning up my sub ideas and I have a few more posts to go. I suppose thereafter I should present my trinity of next-gen-forum projects: 1) a better democratic system (a first draft of my grand concept framework, hoping for improving feedback), 2) a better ergonomic GUI with vastly superior functionality and "bridging", 3) coding/dev/building discussions. I'm no coder, but I can start the conversation and hope others can capably run with it. Even if no one steps up, I can animate a simulation of how my revolutionary next-gen forum might work.

We, not just SaidIt, need to also build a series of liberty manifestos, for lack of a better term. That's yet another series of projects. These would be clear plans for everyone to improve upon, from which to start out in a unified direction, even if the path wanders a bit. More on these soon. I know this is a lot, but it's all critically necessary. And I haven't even touched on my media and personal projects. I lost a dozen years to big pharma, but I'm ready to direct animation and creative projects again.

In 10 or 20 or 30 years there's no way SaidIt will remain much like it is now. I'm certainly not suggesting that SaidIt must die or be subverted or any such thing. What I am saying is that on this forum we can plan the next forum, and it need not be like this.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What the flying fuck?!?!

THIS is what a few of my forthcoming projects will address. We need ACCOUNTABLE, BETTER, and TRANSPARENT systems in place.

How can the "out of the frying pan, and into the fire" scenario be avoided.

At this point, Saidit is in the hands of a philosopher king (or benevolent dictator ), who carved out his own country.

Many concerns are legitimate.

I'm not trying to marginalize anyone's situation.

Overall, the situation amounts to 1st World Problems. Although, first world problems are sometimes shitty.
For example, if you live in Texas right now... !

M7 isn't a vindictive person Far from it.

Move on, make an alt account that is similar in name to the previous, and minimize whatever infraction(s).

That's what the shills do. Some shills can be cool, and will make friends with you. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as long as you are experienced enough to recognize the difference.

If you haven't been burned by a shill buddy, then you're not experienced enough.
Even so, most never know for sure who is who.

Also, shills aren't necessarily bad people. However, they do have an agenda, etc.
It's unfortunate.

People are being disappeared and few know about it - or why.

Getting banned is crap.

M7 doesn't enjoy banning people, and on occasion he probably second guesses himself.

He's in a difficult situation. If you make exceptions regularly, then when do you (re)draw the line.
At some point the endlessly redrawn line becomes meaningless.

I don't have the answers. I can throw out suggestions, but they're only suggestions, and IMO we shouldn't attempt to force anything.

Perhaps, there could be a banning process.

Possibly, also a conditional banned/suspended log. You need XYZ points to be eligible for the log.
We wouldn't want a huge banner of obvious banned shills and advertisers, etc., And they don't deserve the effort.

There could be a threshold of content/comment input, or similar.

Include a comment section for redress of grievance.

Again, I don't have the answers.

I do know:

  • We live in an era of extreme censorship.
  • shills use divide and conquer tactics, so democracy can easily be hijacked.
  • "out of the frying pan, and into the fire" scenario be avoided. This is a luke warm frying pan, at best. Biogenesseñior, or whatever. Don't go with ziogenesejunior. Bad form.
  • Dictatorship by a philosopher king is overall preferable to most alternatives. Particularly, when someone else put in the work.

To the last point, I applaud JC's effort to start his own country. If he wants to go democratic, then it will be a great experiment.

I'd caution against causing a revolt in the only quasi-peaceful dictatorship in the world. Sometimes it's a better system.
Dictatorship is much more difficult to infiltrate, corrupt, etc. This is crucial in this era of tragic censorship.

I vote "NO" for democratizing Saidit. Which, is hilarious.

I fully support JC in his endeavors.

This is not a zero-sum-gain situation.
With luck, we could have both Saidit, and JC Land.

I would discourage you from throwing "sand" in JC Land... ;-)

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

He refuses to clearly define the line with examples. We need to see what has gone down before. Too many people play it safer than they need to for fear of the ambiguity.

(Similarly most YouTube creators who remain have all gone soft now. It's a tedious distraction now. I'm eager to shift my paradigm and finally drop YouTube.)

I still have 2 (or more) strikes and an axe over my head from 2 years ago. M7 hasn't said otherwise. I've argued the strikes need expiry dates, though it seems like enemies are playing long games of 8 months or more. More importantly, I'm still not sure what it was specifically that upset him enough to declare the strikes and/or which conflicts (certainly more than 2) he even referred to.

but they're only suggestions, and IMO we shouldn't attempt to force anything.

Why not? It's his site but it's our community. There has to be give and take on all sides.

Perhaps, there could be a banning process.

YES!

This is what I've been calling for, most recently here. I want SaidIt to be better, and much of that may depends on M7 opening up. If I wanted to subvert SaidIt I'd have already started my own SaidIt instance with more democratic transparency and tried to lure people over. M7 and I are +97% in alignment with our primary objectives.

Something like this I proposed a while back but forgot until now is a deescalation alternative. When things get hot, often logic goes out the window - on both sides. Only one has the power. Picture admin banning someone for 2 days, long enough for everyone to cool down, take stock, build cases, etc. Next level would be 2 weeks. Next level would be 2 months. Then final.

Why so many steps? Because people put a lot of effort in here. I was banned from Quora for no good reason, with no warning, and all my work was stolen from me - as well as everyone's I interacted with. We had some great content - all gone. SaidIt is not the same, but it's devastating to lose it all, and obviously some people react regrettably (DioJr., Snow, etc) and delete their content out of spite.

We wouldn't want a huge banner of obvious banned shills and advertisers, etc., And they don't deserve the effort.

Obviously you don't put the banned list on the front page. It doesn't matter how long the list is. If you must defend/justify the length of the list then just write a fucking paragraph or essay explaining the perpetual bot/culture/crypto/info/propaganda/shill/spam war (preferably with examples). Make these lists self-generating and automatic so that M7 and other admins are not further burdened. There's ZERO excuse why not to have transparent open records. If anything, the volume of attacks would only prove our cause is righteous and we're unjustly attacked by the organized crime of corrupt-establishment-defending minions.