Pope Francis says sins of the flesh aren't that serious

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[–]fschmidt 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Satanic pope

[–]Tiwaking 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I've been saying that The Pope is Satan since forever

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

That's really good news for me.

[–]sproketboy 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Signs of the end times.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (62 children)

Could someone point out where is the bible it says unmarried, unrelated men and women shouldn't have sex with each other or that you should be a virgin when you get married?

[–]fschmidt 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (50 children)

https://www.openbible.info/topics/promiscuity

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (46 children)

These mostly assume everyone will be married so it's adultery which is the problem.

[–]fschmidt 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

As Cornfed pointed out, seducing virgins is also a problem because it harms their value as wives.

[–]Foidblaster9000 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (44 children)

It seems to have issue with sexual immorality and impurity. Immorality being what though? Impurity indicates not abstaining, but if that's true then wouldn't men be punished for not being virgins as well as women? How was marriage defined in bliblical times?

[–]fschmidt 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

The Old Testament recognizes the differences between the sexes, and so treats them differently.

[–]Foidblaster9000 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Sexual immorality indicates sleeping with whores, but I'm not well versed in biblical text, so correct me if I'm wrong here. So what wouldn't be considered immoral and what would constitute as punishable and not punishable with sex not recognized as covenant?

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

There were 2 kinds of whores in biblical times, modern type paid for prostitutes and temple prostitutes who you'd have to worship or sacrifice to another god to get access to.

The second group is very dangerous to an uptight monotheistic religion.

[–]Cornfed 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Basically anything that interferes with stable marriages and extended families and the raising of children within them is bad. This doesn't include men having sex with unattached whores, which is fine.

[–]fschmidt 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You are wrong here. The Old Testament actually suggests sex with a prostitute as an alternative to adultery (sex with a married woman) in Proverbs 6:26. The Old Testament simply considers immoral whatever is harmful to society. Prostitution is good for society because it reduces adultery.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think it's telling you to actively go looking for prostitutes though. It's more trying to make adultery look even worse by comparison.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Old Testament is also mostly just telling the people how far they're allowed to go with their hard-heartedness, divorce being the most famous example of this.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (36 children)

The typical view nowadays is that men should be virgins. The biblical view is probably that since biological heritage was so important in ancient times, women needed to be virgins so that when they had children there would be no confusion over whose child it is. Apparently men have an instinct for this as well so they can be confident that they passed on their genes.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

yeah that's why they started saying Mother Mary was a virgin, she obviously would have had sex with her husband Joseph, and had other kids with him before Jesus, but a rumor started going around that she cheated on him with a Roman soldier and that's how Jesus was born, they denied this saying she was a virgin.

[–]Cornfed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How do you get Mary having kids with Joseph before Jesus? In Matthew it says that they were only betrothed and had not had sex when Mary became pregnant with Jesus, which is why Joseph planned to divorce her before an angel appeared to him.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

mentions brothers and sisters of jesus, they made up the perpetual virginity thing later, now the dogma for christianity is that they were iether children of joseph from a previous marriage, or cousins of Jesus, but that's retarded

[–]Cornfed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The most obvious interpretation of siblings is younger siblings conceived after Joseph and Mary subsequently married.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I've researched this and I think the most probable conclusion is that Joseph is Jesus's biological father. There is no doubt about this except in Matthew 1-2 and Luke 1-2 which are both pretty obviously later additons. The "Roman soldier" rumor was probably started to discredit Jesus.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

most likely yes. The real historical Jesus was probably a follower of John the baptist, took over after John died, was a rabbi and had a large following, healed people, never claimed to be son of God, his brother James took over when Jesus died. A lot of stuff was made up after his death both good and bad.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I have to disagree that he never claimed to be a son of God. Even if you don't believe the religious parts, Jesus called other people "sons of God" as well, and most of the time the "the" before son was inserted by translators, so the original is usually "a son of God".

But I also do think Jesus was the incarnation of Yehovah or Yahweh, who is actually the son of the "most high" God as revealed by the Dead Sea Scrolls. And many early Christians distinguished "LORD" in the Old Testament as Jesus speaking as opposed to "God", LORD being the placeholder for the divine name. I believe Jesus also said he was "I AM" in the gospel of John. This should clear up the confusion over the trinity vs unitarianism.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

just never says in the bible he claimed to be son of god, he said he was son of man. The closest is when he is on the cross and says why father have you forsaken me but it's doubtful anyone was there to hear that and it was made up later.

[–]Cornfed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

The typical view nowadays is infused with evil feminist bullshit and should be dispensed with. Obviously a husband cannot cuckold his wife in the way a wife can cuckold her husband.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Adultery is explicitly forbidden and condemnations are given directly to both sexes, not just one.

[–]Cornfed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Right, adultery, as defined in all major cultures as sex between a married woman and a man other than her husband, is forbidden to both men and women. If a man had sex with a woman married to someone else he would be guilty of adultery. Obviously the Bible doesn't define a man having sex with an unmarried whore as adultery. BTW, just to take a wild stab in the dark, you didn't trouble yourself to actually read the Bible before commenting on it, right?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Obviously the Bible doesn't define a man having sex with an unmarried whore as adultery.

If he's married it does: anyone who sends his wife away and marries another commits adultery.

[–]Cornfed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

We are not talking about remarriage, we are talking about sex with a whore.

[–]Tiwaking 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Lol why is this quote included here here?

John 3:16-17 ESV / 10 helpful votes “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

[–]fschmidt 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Idiocracy, I guess.

[–]Cornfed 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Exodus 22:16-17 Seducing virgins is bad Deuteronomy 22:13... Wives generally to be virgins There doesn't seem to be any problem with men having sex with unattached whores though.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Promiscuity/

There are several that call out fornicators, and various other offenses.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It considers intercourse to wed a couple (assuming it's voluntary on both sides), so it's really not possible to "fornicate". And we know adultery is forbidden after that.

However, a decent argument can be made that this rule had more to do with inheritance structures that prevailed in ancient times than absolute morality.

[–]Cornfed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Where does it say it considers intercourse to wed a couple?

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Even in the case of rape, the rapist is obligated to be married to their victim if the victim asks them to.

[–]Cornfed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Right, you have to offer to marry a virgin you rape. Her father can refuse. You are not automatically married due to the sex. What does this have to do with consensual sex with a non-virgin?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

They are automatically married if the victim consents. They can refuse because forcing someone to marry their rapist is beyond wrong.

[–]Cornfed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, where does the Bible say they are automatically married?

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why would the rapist be obligated to marry the victim if it was not so?

[–]Cornfed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That is a complete non-sequitur. Are you saying the Bible doesn't say sex doesn't automatically equate to marriage?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It implies quite a lot. Otherwise Jesus would be wrong about almost everything.

And I think it actually does say it somewhere, I just can't remember.

[–]Tiwaking 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

“But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.”
*Matthew 16:23 *