Pope Francis says sins of the flesh aren't that serious

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

yeah that's why they started saying Mother Mary was a virgin, she obviously would have had sex with her husband Joseph, and had other kids with him before Jesus, but a rumor started going around that she cheated on him with a Roman soldier and that's how Jesus was born, they denied this saying she was a virgin.

[–]Cornfed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How do you get Mary having kids with Joseph before Jesus? In Matthew it says that they were only betrothed and had not had sex when Mary became pregnant with Jesus, which is why Joseph planned to divorce her before an angel appeared to him.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

mentions brothers and sisters of jesus, they made up the perpetual virginity thing later, now the dogma for christianity is that they were iether children of joseph from a previous marriage, or cousins of Jesus, but that's retarded

[–]Cornfed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The most obvious interpretation of siblings is younger siblings conceived after Joseph and Mary subsequently married.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I've researched this and I think the most probable conclusion is that Joseph is Jesus's biological father. There is no doubt about this except in Matthew 1-2 and Luke 1-2 which are both pretty obviously later additons. The "Roman soldier" rumor was probably started to discredit Jesus.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

most likely yes. The real historical Jesus was probably a follower of John the baptist, took over after John died, was a rabbi and had a large following, healed people, never claimed to be son of God, his brother James took over when Jesus died. A lot of stuff was made up after his death both good and bad.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I have to disagree that he never claimed to be a son of God. Even if you don't believe the religious parts, Jesus called other people "sons of God" as well, and most of the time the "the" before son was inserted by translators, so the original is usually "a son of God".

But I also do think Jesus was the incarnation of Yehovah or Yahweh, who is actually the son of the "most high" God as revealed by the Dead Sea Scrolls. And many early Christians distinguished "LORD" in the Old Testament as Jesus speaking as opposed to "God", LORD being the placeholder for the divine name. I believe Jesus also said he was "I AM" in the gospel of John. This should clear up the confusion over the trinity vs unitarianism.

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just never says in the bible he claimed to be son of god, he said he was son of man. The closest is when he is on the cross and says why father have you forsaken me but it's doubtful anyone was there to hear that and it was made up later.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was "son of God" sometimes but it's usually "a son of God", and apparently other people can be sons of God: Happy are the pursuers of peace that they will be called sons of God.