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[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (24 children)

Teachers in general don't understand how the world works. They live in a bubble where their own performance can not be measured, so they never have to compete. That means stupid teachers are on the same footing, get the same pay and benefits, the same raises as intelligent teachers. The same goes for lazy vs hard working. The only real thing that can make a difference is building relationships with administrators to get benefits through nepotism.

This is why they hate standardized testing so much. They absolutely hate anything that exposes discrepancies in performance.

This is a big factor in why they are overwhelmingly left leaning. Personal effort is worthless in their world while collective action through unions is the most powerful thing they know. So in their world collectivism is the answer to everything while personal effort is useless.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Teachers teach annd there are many good teachers. The useless are the hundred billion dollar billionaires; have no street cred and would not be caught using a plow.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Elon Musk has revolutionized the online payment industry, the space industry, and the car industry. He deserves to be a billionaire.

Teachers babysit the kids while their parents go to work. There are very few teachers who even come close to benefiting the kids as much as they would benefit from a stay at home parent who would home school them. Home schooled kids can get all their studies done in about 3 hours and actually learn the material, which is proven when they outperform state schooled kids on all standardized test.

Not only are teachers a shitty substitute for parent's raising their own kids, but they have become obsessed with brainwashing kids with their own political beliefs. Every single kid today has been told by multiple teachers that if their parents are conservative it is because they are ignorant. It has gotten to the point that if you aren't censoring conservative views in your class you are considered by other teachers to be a bad teacher.

"there are many good teachers" is just like saying "most cops are good people". It is a meaningless platitude. If you actually try to define what good is and compare it to reality you will find that the opposite is true. Most cops would not cross the blue line to hold bad cops accountable for crimes and most teachers would not cross the union line to do what is best for the children or their education. That is why they always oppose the voucher system and charter schools.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Charter schools are cool, ONLY if the are funded by the public interest in mind. If it is a national authority who has stock on wallstreet or is a member of US Inc. then that's a no for me.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You need to deprogram your excessive brainwashing. Your blinding ignorance is so glaringly obvious that it really hurts to look at. If I didn't think you were serious I'd feel certain you were pushing some agendas here.

Elon Musk did NOT do those things. Elon Musk lorded over teams that did those things. He exploited their talents and resources with his executive boards who take all the profits and get to decide what to do with them leaving the workers to suck on whatever scraps they toss them. NO ONE DESERVES TO BE A BILLIONAIRE.

You want democracy? How about bring it to the workplace? Where most people spend the best parts of their days and lives.

Are you saying that teachers, stay at home parents or grandparents are doing an unimportant job? Maybe you are only reflecting on your own life because you seem to be poorly educated and have a profound gripe for teachers. I bet you don't like me schooling you either.

The entire system has been socially engineered to divide communities, divide families and get as many people into the work force as possible. The feminist wave of the 1960s was corrupted by CIA assets like Gloria Steinem in order to make women think they needed to belong in the workforce.

As wages stagnated since the 1970s fewer and fewer families had the OPTION of having a parent at home and families not only needed both parents with jobs, now people even have 2 or 3 jobs and can't get by. THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS RIGGED. It's not broken, it's fixed in their favour.

Our Prussian Education System is designed to make obedient, compliant, and productive workers - not thinkers. Schools are now brainwashing prison factories - but that is HARDLY the fault of the teachers who have a LONG HISTORY of resisting everything from "No Child Left Behind" (meaning no child gets ahead) to "Common Core" which is too terrible to discuss. Further, the teachers are not responsible for the corporate media propaganda from the left - or from the right like the tripe you're spewing.

Saying there are many good teachers and cops among the bad apples IS NOT MEANINGLESS. Sure the SYSTEM IS CORRUPT, but that doesn't make the people trying work and change from within it bad. The computer you are using was built essentially by slave labour with stolen resources - but that doesn't necessarily mean you endorse that.

Comparing authoritarian cops to generous compassionate teachers is apples, oranges, and stupid all round.

Teacher who starve to death are no longer good teachers. Teachers NEED to survive or they will survive by finding work that actually pays them - thus leaving the kids even more fucked. You can't rescue someone if you aren't in a position to rescue them - so teachers can't help children succeed if the teachers aren't stable.

Teacher's go on strike to have stability and therefore to be able to help the kids better.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

^ !

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I feel your comment, while well meaning, was wrongheaded in several respects. Teachers are measured all the time. They have to create lesson plans, report about how the class is doing, etc.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Most teachers teach the same class every single year, they can just reuse lesson plans, download them from the internet, follow the text book etc. It can all be done in one weekend and reused forever. Having a lesson plan does not make you a good teacher.

Reporting how well students are doing is completely subjective. It is simply giving your opinion. Every moron on the planet has an opinion. Having an opinion does to make you a good teacher.

The only valid way to measure a teachers performance is to test the students at the beginning of the year, test them at the end of the year, and test their IQ. How much they learned, corrected for IQ is as close as you could ever get to an objective measure of a teachers performance and no one does that. In fact the entire industry is currently in denial about IQ altogether.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

So you're shitting on efficiency?

Do you buy or make all new tools for every new task?

LAME arguement.

Yes everyone has an opinion, but you've got to go on something. If Joe can't even add then it's not an opinion that he sucks at math. If Bob is constantly disrupting class, then it's not a secret or opinion that he's a bad student. There may be any number of reasons why these students are like this, but if the teacher doesn't even note these and other issues good, bad, or ugly, then the students won't get help from the school, from home, from therapists, or from future reflection.

" Every moron on the planet has an opinion. "

Even you and I it seems.

I.Q. tests are exceptionally limited, subjective, and have their biases - as do all tests.

" In fact the entire industry is currently in denial about IQ altogether. "

That is some truth.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why is it that every conversation with you devolves into you either not being able to follow the conversation or pretending you can't follow the conversation to try and take it off the rails?

Efficiency has nothing to do with it.

Teachers are measured all the time. They have to create lesson plans, report about how the class is doing, etc.

This is what I am responding to. The conversation is about performance metrics, and what makes a teacher good. I am pointing out how a lesson plan is not a valid measure of the quality of a teacher, or of how hard they work, or how intelligent they are, or how effectively they teach the kids.

IQ tests are absolutely not "limited" in measuring how easily students learn; that is what they excel at. It is what they do best. And they absolutely do not have bias, that is propaganda.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

" Why is it that every conversation with you devolves into you either not being able to follow the conversation or pretending you can't follow the conversation to try and take it off the rails? "

Ironic coming from you.

" they can just reuse lesson plans, download them from the internet, follow the text book etc " " Efficiency has nothing to do with it. "

Really?

Further, your blanket statement doesn't consider that they may be improving on their reused and downloaded lessons - as if they are just robots obeying a program.

Your criteria and judgments for qualifying what makes a "good" teacher are far from neutral biased to demonize them from go.

" I am pointing out how a lesson plan is not a valid measure of the quality of a teacher, or of how hard they work, or how intelligent they are, or how effectively they teach the kids. "

Now you are, but you didn't state that then - leaving me to guess your intentions. So your allegation that I "_ take it off the rails_" is actually on your unclear communication.

" IQ tests are absolutely not "limited" in measuring how easily students learn "

That is NOT what I said, but yes, if you want to get specific, the tests do not measure how easy it is. Nor does it measure how much they learn. Nor does it do a lot of things. THE TESTS ARE LIMITED. They try to learn what the kids have learned. And of course those tests CAN be and ARE biased in many ways - from the way they present the questions and the language used to the very form of the test itself. For example, kids who don't deal with multiple questions, pressure, or other variables are not considered.

Tests can be a useful tool. They can also be weaponized so to speak.

" And they absolutely do not have bias, that is propaganda. "

Now who's spouting propaganda?

[–]thefadd 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

I'm also a big fan of U2

[–]hennaojichan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

U2 sucked, except for Achtung Baby and that was good only because Brian Eno produced it. So there. :)

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I like the Daniel Lanois and Eno produced Joshua Tree, even if it was their huge commercial success and breakthrough. I also had them before that, but that changed a lot for them.

[–]hennaojichan 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I liked Joshua Tree too but for me Acthung Baby was the bomb. I couldn't stop playing it. Also loved Eno's ambient music and Fripp and Eno. But really I just wanted to get into this contentious, long thread.

[–]thefadd 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Go listen to Joy Division, Masshole.

[–]thefadd 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Carswell. Really? I guess Toronto does strange things to a man.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That makes no sense. It has nothing to do with Toronto. It was a best selling album. When it came out I was attending high school in Windsor and worked at the A&M Record store in Tecumseh Mall selling copious albums on vinyl, cassettes, and CDs back then. Since then and after all my adventures in Toronto, NY, Austin, SF, Vancouver, etc. I'm back in Windsor now. I don't listen to U2 anymore, but I still listen to Lanois and Eno in my playlists.

[–]thefadd 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Wow. I must have been super crazy drunk because I fucking hate U2. I love that South Park episode where Bono is just a very large poop. Also, I hate Brian Eno. I'm fairly certain I must have intended that comment as sarcasm.

[–]hennaojichan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no accounting for taste. I liked that one U2 album and it was thirty years ago or so. I tend to go on saidit after a few drinks too and usually regret it.

[–]thefadd 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, I just went and looked. Man, my comment went over everyone's head. I'm way too smert for this.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

That's some huge bad-stereotype full-of-holes blanket-statements you're tossing off over everything there.

I might try to teach you something but we'd have to go back grade 1, and I just don't have time for that.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You had the time to throw a bunch of baseless accusations.

Saying that the teaching profession does not have a functioning way of measuring teacher performance is not a stereotype, it is a fact.

Saying that this means they don't have to compete is not a stereotype, it is a fact.

Saying that they live in a bubble, given that 90+ percent of teachers are liberal, is a fact.

Saying that being in a non competitive field, surrounded by liberals their entire life makes them detached from reality is a fact.

You can't teach anyone anything because you are ignorant. All you can do is make baseless accusations, insults, and demand that others agree with your opinions.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I had the time to write two lines - not baseless. I came back to reschool you. (See other comment.)

You claim it's a fact without offering evidence - because it's moot with many views all with their own "facts".

Ditto.

Ditto. Define "liberal".

Being a teacher is NOT a non-competitive field, I can guarantee you. My family is chock full of fucking teachers (and doctors/scientists and artists - many overlapping), NOT all liberals, and certainly not Corporate SJW Dem™ Lefties. You seem to be among the most detached from reality on SaidIt I've seen in a week or few. Also, "fact" you keep using that word.

ALL of your baseless "facts" are your opinions.

I suspect I've taught more folks good shit on SaidIt than you have your whole life. That's my opinion. Perhaps I am ignorant. Perhaps it's a real fact that you are ignorant.

It seems your are talking to yourself in the mirror again:

" All you can do is make baseless accusations, insults, and demand that others agree with your opinions. "