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[–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

I would say good he deserves a little bitter taste for his part, except here's the tragic thing: He and many those like him (not just left or right) won't take this shake up shakedown crisis to reassess anything and wonder what they've been wrong about, nor take the opportunity to reconsider their ironic positions or profound hypocrisy in this entire mess. This could be a learning moment and catalyst for change. Too many will keep doubling down until their blind faith and obtuse views destroy them and others.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Is this an actual story?

Is there any evidence?

This is two paragraphs of run on sentences.

It's nonsense.

This is very similar to that bullshit story that Snow=Chipshit came up with.

Tripe

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Possibly!

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Possibly!

This is a great response to everything.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Possibly!

[–]thefadd 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Jason Carswell wins the internet.

Who would have thought?!

Except that's what I thought.

[–]manumilitari 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Very good, those self-centred egocentric hypocritical leftists need a big dose of reality check.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Not just the left.

[–]thefadd 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

One would think.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

God, this term is so dumb.

[–]whistlepig 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (26 children)

The article doesn't provide any more information than a story. Not even a name, the name of the school or even the state or country this supposedly happened. I find it easy to believe like everyone else here, but I ain't so gullible that I'll get suckered that easily. This kind of writing belongs on facebook. Not here.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly this.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

If you don't like it, don't read it.

What is with you people where you always feel the need to control what other people say and do? WTF?

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

What is with you people always saying, "What is with you people?"

Also, FYI, it's you people, us people, all people to some extent, without exceptions, doing it - needing to control.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

What is with you people always saying, "What is with you people?"

Answer: He's a shill, who is here to manufacture divisions.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Nope, there are plenty of exceptions. Lots of us believe in freedom. We might disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it.

Telling that you your milieu is so small that everyone in it is a fascist who desires control of others. You can't even imagine a world in which people disagree with you, probably because you banned them all.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

We might disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it.

Comedy.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's the foundation of liberalism, and it's why the West is the best. It's always the first thing fascists remove.

It's so sad you can't visualize a world in which people disagree with you, and think everyone else wants to be a fascist like you.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It's the foundation of liberalism, and it's why the West is the best. It's always the first thing fascists remove.

"It's the foundation of liberalism"...?

Are you now claiming to be a member of the principled left? Who's writing this stuff for you?

Bad comedy.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Oh, liberalism is not leftism. Leftists freely use censorship. They're not liberal. They just used the label, stained it, abandoned it, and re-branded as progressives.

http://liberalismunrelinquished.net/

That's the thing, the left dumped liberal values a long time ago, so they were just lying around for anyone to pick up. Now a lot of right wingers identify with liberal values. Rest assured the coincidence has been remarked upon by both liberals and rightists. That's the intellectual dark web you might have heard about.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The "Intellectual" Dark Web is a controlled narrative and posse of poser philosopher clowns who occasionally say something clever and trap authentic alternatives and solutions from getting to the people by pretending to be against the establishment while supporting many of their ideas - like the necessity for "authority" and laws.

On a superficial level the left and right are more extreme and divided than ever, and chuckleheads buy into that shit.

On another level capitalism and communism have merged into a globalist Zionist totalitarian corporatocratic kakistocracy.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am bored of your opinionated ignorance.

Bye.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

a fascist like you.

Another pithy ad hominem attack.

This is exactly what I expect from you.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Stopping free speech with violence is not fighting fascism. It IS fascism!

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Stopping free speech with violence is not fighting fascism. It IS fascism!

Wrong again...

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/fascism

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You mean the concerted effort a few years ago to change the definition, and now you are dishonestly parading it about? Try a dictionary from the 1970s, or better yet the 1930s. http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htm

From 1912 to 1914, Mussolini was the Che Guevara of his day, a living saint of leftism. Handsome, courageous, charismatic, an erudite Marxist, a riveting speaker and writer, a dedicated class warrior to the core, he was the peerless duce of the Italian Left. He looked like the head of any future Italian socialist government, elected or revolutionary.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I won't disagree (regarding AntiFa, corporate-government fascism, who use violence) but why did you insist on steering the conversation onto fascism?

Your bias and agenda is smothering all decent discussion.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

These are the arguments of a twelve year old.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Lots of the government do not believe in freedom. Again, division. Your point is?

FALSE and FALSE.

I didn't call anyone a fascist.

I said, everyone without exceptions needs to control to some extent - including you and I.

I have banned and/or muted ZERO people. Not even chuckleheads.

[–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

hehe.. I'm not controlling nothing. I'm just sharing my opinion. ;]

Did anything change after I typed that? I think not.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

If you don't like it, don't read it.

Chipshit. If you don't like my comments then don't read them.

What is with you people where you always feel the need to control what other people say and do? WTF?

I'm not controlling what you say. Just questioning if this is even real, and I actually suspect you wrote it yourself. It's beyond stupid.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But you want to control others. That's the point.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

But you want to control others. That's the point.

I want to inform others. That's the point you miss.

You try to tell others what to think. That's the problem.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Really? Where did I do that?

I prefer persuasion. Bringing people to my side with good arguments, facts and logic.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Tom is correct, but for some reason, you are blind to it, intentionally or not.

Further, you need practice with "good arguments, facts and logic." I recommend listening to constructive criticism and learning from it. If you think it's an attack, maybe it is and maybe it isn't, regardless you can consider it uncouth help that you can not react to but learn from.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All the time.

I'll be reminding you again soon, I'm sure.

[–]jamesK_3rd 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I see the blog post. But i don't see the article or the teacher's post that they're referring to.

[–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

or even a name...

I'm going assume this never happened even though it is very believable.

[–]thefadd 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

okay leftist

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

Teachers in general don't understand how the world works. They live in a bubble where their own performance can not be measured, so they never have to compete. That means stupid teachers are on the same footing, get the same pay and benefits, the same raises as intelligent teachers. The same goes for lazy vs hard working. The only real thing that can make a difference is building relationships with administrators to get benefits through nepotism.

This is why they hate standardized testing so much. They absolutely hate anything that exposes discrepancies in performance.

This is a big factor in why they are overwhelmingly left leaning. Personal effort is worthless in their world while collective action through unions is the most powerful thing they know. So in their world collectivism is the answer to everything while personal effort is useless.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Teachers teach annd there are many good teachers. The useless are the hundred billion dollar billionaires; have no street cred and would not be caught using a plow.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Elon Musk has revolutionized the online payment industry, the space industry, and the car industry. He deserves to be a billionaire.

Teachers babysit the kids while their parents go to work. There are very few teachers who even come close to benefiting the kids as much as they would benefit from a stay at home parent who would home school them. Home schooled kids can get all their studies done in about 3 hours and actually learn the material, which is proven when they outperform state schooled kids on all standardized test.

Not only are teachers a shitty substitute for parent's raising their own kids, but they have become obsessed with brainwashing kids with their own political beliefs. Every single kid today has been told by multiple teachers that if their parents are conservative it is because they are ignorant. It has gotten to the point that if you aren't censoring conservative views in your class you are considered by other teachers to be a bad teacher.

"there are many good teachers" is just like saying "most cops are good people". It is a meaningless platitude. If you actually try to define what good is and compare it to reality you will find that the opposite is true. Most cops would not cross the blue line to hold bad cops accountable for crimes and most teachers would not cross the union line to do what is best for the children or their education. That is why they always oppose the voucher system and charter schools.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Charter schools are cool, ONLY if the are funded by the public interest in mind. If it is a national authority who has stock on wallstreet or is a member of US Inc. then that's a no for me.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You need to deprogram your excessive brainwashing. Your blinding ignorance is so glaringly obvious that it really hurts to look at. If I didn't think you were serious I'd feel certain you were pushing some agendas here.

Elon Musk did NOT do those things. Elon Musk lorded over teams that did those things. He exploited their talents and resources with his executive boards who take all the profits and get to decide what to do with them leaving the workers to suck on whatever scraps they toss them. NO ONE DESERVES TO BE A BILLIONAIRE.

You want democracy? How about bring it to the workplace? Where most people spend the best parts of their days and lives.

Are you saying that teachers, stay at home parents or grandparents are doing an unimportant job? Maybe you are only reflecting on your own life because you seem to be poorly educated and have a profound gripe for teachers. I bet you don't like me schooling you either.

The entire system has been socially engineered to divide communities, divide families and get as many people into the work force as possible. The feminist wave of the 1960s was corrupted by CIA assets like Gloria Steinem in order to make women think they needed to belong in the workforce.

As wages stagnated since the 1970s fewer and fewer families had the OPTION of having a parent at home and families not only needed both parents with jobs, now people even have 2 or 3 jobs and can't get by. THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS RIGGED. It's not broken, it's fixed in their favour.

Our Prussian Education System is designed to make obedient, compliant, and productive workers - not thinkers. Schools are now brainwashing prison factories - but that is HARDLY the fault of the teachers who have a LONG HISTORY of resisting everything from "No Child Left Behind" (meaning no child gets ahead) to "Common Core" which is too terrible to discuss. Further, the teachers are not responsible for the corporate media propaganda from the left - or from the right like the tripe you're spewing.

Saying there are many good teachers and cops among the bad apples IS NOT MEANINGLESS. Sure the SYSTEM IS CORRUPT, but that doesn't make the people trying work and change from within it bad. The computer you are using was built essentially by slave labour with stolen resources - but that doesn't necessarily mean you endorse that.

Comparing authoritarian cops to generous compassionate teachers is apples, oranges, and stupid all round.

Teacher who starve to death are no longer good teachers. Teachers NEED to survive or they will survive by finding work that actually pays them - thus leaving the kids even more fucked. You can't rescue someone if you aren't in a position to rescue them - so teachers can't help children succeed if the teachers aren't stable.

Teacher's go on strike to have stability and therefore to be able to help the kids better.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

^ !

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I feel your comment, while well meaning, was wrongheaded in several respects. Teachers are measured all the time. They have to create lesson plans, report about how the class is doing, etc.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Most teachers teach the same class every single year, they can just reuse lesson plans, download them from the internet, follow the text book etc. It can all be done in one weekend and reused forever. Having a lesson plan does not make you a good teacher.

Reporting how well students are doing is completely subjective. It is simply giving your opinion. Every moron on the planet has an opinion. Having an opinion does to make you a good teacher.

The only valid way to measure a teachers performance is to test the students at the beginning of the year, test them at the end of the year, and test their IQ. How much they learned, corrected for IQ is as close as you could ever get to an objective measure of a teachers performance and no one does that. In fact the entire industry is currently in denial about IQ altogether.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

So you're shitting on efficiency?

Do you buy or make all new tools for every new task?

LAME arguement.

Yes everyone has an opinion, but you've got to go on something. If Joe can't even add then it's not an opinion that he sucks at math. If Bob is constantly disrupting class, then it's not a secret or opinion that he's a bad student. There may be any number of reasons why these students are like this, but if the teacher doesn't even note these and other issues good, bad, or ugly, then the students won't get help from the school, from home, from therapists, or from future reflection.

" Every moron on the planet has an opinion. "

Even you and I it seems.

I.Q. tests are exceptionally limited, subjective, and have their biases - as do all tests.

" In fact the entire industry is currently in denial about IQ altogether. "

That is some truth.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why is it that every conversation with you devolves into you either not being able to follow the conversation or pretending you can't follow the conversation to try and take it off the rails?

Efficiency has nothing to do with it.

Teachers are measured all the time. They have to create lesson plans, report about how the class is doing, etc.

This is what I am responding to. The conversation is about performance metrics, and what makes a teacher good. I am pointing out how a lesson plan is not a valid measure of the quality of a teacher, or of how hard they work, or how intelligent they are, or how effectively they teach the kids.

IQ tests are absolutely not "limited" in measuring how easily students learn; that is what they excel at. It is what they do best. And they absolutely do not have bias, that is propaganda.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

" Why is it that every conversation with you devolves into you either not being able to follow the conversation or pretending you can't follow the conversation to try and take it off the rails? "

Ironic coming from you.

" they can just reuse lesson plans, download them from the internet, follow the text book etc " " Efficiency has nothing to do with it. "

Really?

Further, your blanket statement doesn't consider that they may be improving on their reused and downloaded lessons - as if they are just robots obeying a program.

Your criteria and judgments for qualifying what makes a "good" teacher are far from neutral biased to demonize them from go.

" I am pointing out how a lesson plan is not a valid measure of the quality of a teacher, or of how hard they work, or how intelligent they are, or how effectively they teach the kids. "

Now you are, but you didn't state that then - leaving me to guess your intentions. So your allegation that I "_ take it off the rails_" is actually on your unclear communication.

" IQ tests are absolutely not "limited" in measuring how easily students learn "

That is NOT what I said, but yes, if you want to get specific, the tests do not measure how easy it is. Nor does it measure how much they learn. Nor does it do a lot of things. THE TESTS ARE LIMITED. They try to learn what the kids have learned. And of course those tests CAN be and ARE biased in many ways - from the way they present the questions and the language used to the very form of the test itself. For example, kids who don't deal with multiple questions, pressure, or other variables are not considered.

Tests can be a useful tool. They can also be weaponized so to speak.

" And they absolutely do not have bias, that is propaganda. "

Now who's spouting propaganda?

[–]thefadd 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I'm also a big fan of U2

[–]hennaojichan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

U2 sucked, except for Achtung Baby and that was good only because Brian Eno produced it. So there. :)

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I like the Daniel Lanois and Eno produced Joshua Tree, even if it was their huge commercial success and breakthrough. I also had them before that, but that changed a lot for them.

[–]hennaojichan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I liked Joshua Tree too but for me Acthung Baby was the bomb. I couldn't stop playing it. Also loved Eno's ambient music and Fripp and Eno. But really I just wanted to get into this contentious, long thread.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

That's some huge bad-stereotype full-of-holes blanket-statements you're tossing off over everything there.

I might try to teach you something but we'd have to go back grade 1, and I just don't have time for that.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You had the time to throw a bunch of baseless accusations.

Saying that the teaching profession does not have a functioning way of measuring teacher performance is not a stereotype, it is a fact.

Saying that this means they don't have to compete is not a stereotype, it is a fact.

Saying that they live in a bubble, given that 90+ percent of teachers are liberal, is a fact.

Saying that being in a non competitive field, surrounded by liberals their entire life makes them detached from reality is a fact.

You can't teach anyone anything because you are ignorant. All you can do is make baseless accusations, insults, and demand that others agree with your opinions.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I had the time to write two lines - not baseless. I came back to reschool you. (See other comment.)

You claim it's a fact without offering evidence - because it's moot with many views all with their own "facts".

Ditto.

Ditto. Define "liberal".

Being a teacher is NOT a non-competitive field, I can guarantee you. My family is chock full of fucking teachers (and doctors/scientists and artists - many overlapping), NOT all liberals, and certainly not Corporate SJW Dem™ Lefties. You seem to be among the most detached from reality on SaidIt I've seen in a week or few. Also, "fact" you keep using that word.

ALL of your baseless "facts" are your opinions.

I suspect I've taught more folks good shit on SaidIt than you have your whole life. That's my opinion. Perhaps I am ignorant. Perhaps it's a real fact that you are ignorant.

It seems your are talking to yourself in the mirror again:

" All you can do is make baseless accusations, insults, and demand that others agree with your opinions. "

[–]thefadd 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

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