I’m a liberal but...I’m not attracted to liberal men. "But no matter how much I try to tell myself to stop only viewing masculine men as potential dating/sex partners, I hit a mental block and I get hit with this huge wave of discomfort at the thought of being with a man who’s feminine."

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

Thanks, I guess. Obviously, people have to have sex to make babies, I just don't like it.

Transgenderism is quite simple: society expects people to behave in certain ways according to whether they have a penis or a vagina, even if the behaviors are entirely unrelated, but some people behave differently than the expectation.

I ain't sure how certain behaviors became associated with genitals, such as wearing make-up and shaving your legs, but others make more sense: women have kids, so naturally they take care of them, and that leaves men with the responsibility to work.

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society expects people to behave in certain ways according to whether they have a penis or a vagina, even if the behaviors are entirely unrelated, but some people behave differently than the expectation.

I behave differently than the expectation. I actually recently got kicked off my discord Cripplingalcoholism server for having a relationship that isn't gender normative. Not even like I'm drastically bending social norms, my wife just makes more money than I do. That still invokes feelings of disgust. Also goes back to the sex thing. Alpha males who are old (bad providers) would be challenged.

Anyways, my point is that it doesn't mean I see myself as a woman just because I'm an atypical man.

I ain't sure how certain behaviors became associated with genitals, such as wearing make-up and shaving your legs, but others make more sense: women have kids, so naturally they take care of them, and that leaves men with the responsibility to work.

I really love the word ain't. Growing up my teachers liked to say "ain't ain't a word," but it's a nice southern touch if you ask me.

Gillette made shaving your legs a thing to sell razor blades. Seriously.

Make up is just about attracting a mate, lots of animals do it too.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (27 children)

I actually recently got kicked off my discord Cripplingalcoholism server for having a relationship that isn't gender normative. Not even like I'm drastically bending social norms, my wife just makes more money than I do. That still invokes feelings of disgust.

Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. People tend to expect humans with penises to make more money than humans with vaginas.

I really love the word ain't.

Ain't you from Texas?

Growing up my teachers liked to say "ain't ain't a word,"

That's Yankee imperialism for ya. Empires always impose their language upon their colonies in order to strip the natives of their identity — that's what the federal school system was designed to do. The only way to save the South is to restore our tenth amendment right to educate our kids.

but it's a nice southern touch if you ask me.

It's not simply a "southern touch", it's a protest against imperialism! Honestly, if I had to choose one word to symbolize Dixie's struggle for sovereignty, it'd be "ain't".

Gillette made shaving your legs a thing to sell razor blades. Seriously.

Yep. Hard to argue that's a bad thing, though. I personally shave everywhere just because it makes me feel cleaner, lol.

Make up is just about attracting a mate, lots of animals do it too.

I don't think so. Married women wear make-up, asexual women wear make-up, etc. It's just about looking presentable. And even then, it doesn't explain why right-wingers think it's only for humans with vaginas.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (20 children)

I have never understood the belief that make-up makes one look presentable. I've rarely ever liked it on anyone.

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

It can be used as a way to bring attention to certain features. I've sat on top of the sink countertop about a billion times as a teenager after finding this old website with pixelated goth eye makeup designs just using my face as a canvas. There's a creativity there that can be tapped into that's not really meant to be pleasing for others or not, just fun and a way to absolve boredom. I've seen some pretty negative shit from both men and women regarding it, and I can't ever understand why it matters so much.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

That certainly would help with boredom... but personally I never put on make-up unless I'm going out, because I don't want to make my acne problem any worse. Make-up also costs money, so I try not to use very much.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Oh, face makeup like foundation and concealer feels gross anyway. I've never really touched that crap outside of maybe job interviews to even skin tone. This was just eye makeup. We're not talking Morphe kits here, it was like drug store cheap ass mascara and some eyeshadow that I ended up concocting by adding food coloring to eyeshadow that I already had.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ah, okay. I don't put anything else on without first using foundation and concealer, because my skin is really bad lol.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, I've always had little chicken pox scars on my cheeks, and foundation just made it look shittier so I gave up outside of the extremely rare occasion. Light eye makeup and lip stains or balms (the texture is neat and helps create a distraction from stress instead of just biting at them; looks pretty) are my favorites though. Skin problems usually get worse with foundation anyway, it creates a vicious cycle of clogged pores and bacterial chaos. Ordinary has ultra cheap products (like $5 up) that can help.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've always had little chicken pox scars on my cheeks

Dang. I've just got a lot of acne scars that take a long time to go away... They're easy to cover up most the time, but sometimes there's just no way to do it.

Light eye makeup and lip stains or balms (the texture is neat and helps create a distraction from stress instead of just biting at them; looks pretty)

I don't like using too much eye make-up either, but I'll put on some eyeliner and mascara. I've never used lip-stains, so I wouldn't know. I've been using purple lip-gloss, but I'm not sure how I feel about it. The color is subtle, though, which is nice; it seems like lip-stick would have too much.

Skin problems usually get worse with foundation anyway, it creates a vicious cycle of clogged pores and bacterial chaos.

Yeah, that's why I don't wear it that much, and try to wash it off as soon as possible.

Ordinary has ultra cheap products (like $5 up) that can help.

Like what?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I just don't understand the appeal, I prefer natural looks even if you are ugly.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i stopped wearing make up years ago (when my eyes got wrinkles!) because I wasn't living in a city, and I started doing real, physical work. Less of an ornament. Now i find the young girls in shops look so weird, with their thick masks of paint. the current huge eyebrow trend (drawn on in pencil over the real thing) is hilarious.

There are tons of women here who don't wear any, so makeup is less a norm.

I guess if I was going to a part-ay, i might use some mascara and lipstick, just to fit in, but it would feel really weird.

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Rouge and lipstick simulate the increased blood flow that women experience when sexually aroused. It attracts more male attention than a woman would get otherwise.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Why stop at simulating arousal when we can simulate cyanosis and necrosis with lipstick too?

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Red is favored for a reason. You can make an absurd absolute argument if you want but it doesn't change anything.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I wasn't expecting a damn near on the spectrum-tier reply. I'm not arguing with you, Chip. I'm just trying to make a joke.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

It was less a joke and more an absurd absolute cause you got bitter that I had raised a valid point about women's faces flushing during sexual arousal and you trying to shit in the punchbowl by using disease metaphors.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't feel bitter at all replying to you. I generally don't feel bitter when I interact with your posts. I bring up points to potentially engage you/others more, and sometimes it's to see what personal viewpoints are. Sometimes I will go into a reply a little asshurt, but it's less aimed towards you than it is the contents of the title post.

The lipstick comment was genuinely a joke based off the fact that it's available and even pretty popular to wear blue and black lipstick, and I threw those disease metaphors in because I thought it was funny/facetious. Shit, I thought that most of our interactions just ended with banter when you flung the copypasta back at me. Were you thinking that I was being hostile this whole time, and I'm shit st reading signals?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

And this is acceptable because...

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's fine if you don't put on too much, but most people do.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Most memorable for me, in the 80s I was a lifeguard and the female lifeguards didn't wear makeup at work, but when we'd go out, OMG they looked like circus clown floozies.

It really is amazing how people over do it. Less is more. Considering how many beauty shows there are on YouTube you'd think folks could learn better. It's also expensive and some use what you've got, even if it's the wrong colour paint. I dunno. Eye of the beholder I guess.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Ain't you from Texas?

I am.

Yep. Hard to argue that's a bad thing, though. I personally shave everywhere just because it makes me feel cleaner, lol

I shaved my ass once, used a safety razor too. If anyone isn't familiar with a "safety" razor it's like a razor blade sandwiched between a couple things of stamped metal. Anyways, I poked that around my butt cheeks and shaved all my ass hair without even cutting myself once. Which is impressive if you ask me. Anyways, I got this ingrown hair and it was... Unpleasant.

why right-wingers think it's only for humans with vaginas.

Um, well, I ain't gonna defend makeup.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I am.

Cool.

I shaved my ass once

Lol, that's random.

Anyways, I got this ingrown hair and it was... Unpleasant.

That'll happen if you ain't careful.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Lol, that's random

You mentioned shaving was hygienic, but you risk ingrown hairs and shaving creates microtears in the skin.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You just have to be careful. It takes years to figure it all out, but with enough persistence: it can be done.

[–]Jesus-Christ 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

used a safety razor

mad man.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"Just say ain't."

I used to manscape long before it was a thing to feel cleaner and sexier, back when I actually was.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i don't get why you feel the need to change sex in order to satisfy a gender role requirement. Can't you just be a dude and do whatever the fuck you want, without having to play make believe with hormones and pronouns?

TG is so patriarchy, enforced.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I ain't sure how certain behaviors became associated with genitals,

Some of it really is baffling. I'm a husky 6' dude, but I have very long hair. Not the first time. This time I have a long white beard. No one's ever confused me for female.

Other things I do people may consider me eccentric and no one would confuse me with "normal" - especially in the small normie city I've been in for the last 10 years. Yet no one has called the white coats to haul me off to the loony bin.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I saw the picture on infogalactic. You could probably pretend to be Santa and kids would believe you.