How dare the slaves want what the slave masters have (that the slaves pay for)

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[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

Capitalism and Communism are two peas in a pod.

In Capitalism the people pay for politicians' healthcare without getting any themselves, and in Communism the people pay for politicians' healthcare without getting any themselves. It's certainly possible to have universal healthcare in these systems, but the quality is much worse for the people than the politicians. If the US passed Medicare for All, I promise you your healthcare wouldn't be nearly as good your "representatives'". And the same goes for countries like China.

The only way to achieve universal healthcare is to put it in the hands of the people. The government cannot be trusted with control over healthcare, and neither can corporations. The government can certainly fund healthcare, but it can't be trusted to administrate it.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The people? The same people who voted for Trump? The people are deplorable and not to be trusted. Why do you think we're being censored so heavily?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Long game psyops to push the Overton window to the right and towards totalitarianism.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The people? The same people who voted for Trump? The people are deplorable and not to be trusted. Why do you think we're being censored so heavily?

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

And now talk about a class system. Like Marx did as a warning though. He'd giggle in his grave.

Congress implemented his standards. The are more equal than all the other citizens.

Nice, i giggled and can't stop right now.

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    [–]jet199 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Americans spend more on healthcare per head then any European country with universal healthcare.

    [–]Tarrock 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Maybe the people rioting in the streets should do something about it instead of destroying Amazon and walmart's competition.

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    But that would give them a clear purpose!!! /s

    [–]EndlessSunflowers[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Vacations? Living Wages?
    Health Care where we aren't raped and robbed by the crooked big pharma racket?

    Eventually this will all collapse, which is part of what I think is happening in 2020, controlled demolition.

    [–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Wow...You really provoked these establishment boot lickers with that one.

    [–]GConly 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

    Europe is not socialist. It's capitalism with a welfare system as a safety net.

    [–]jet199 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

    Yep. Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Any type of government can support its people. The welfare system actually supports capitalism which is why Marx's predictions of collapse never came about.

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Not exclusively.

    [–]GConly 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    Socialism is defined by the workers owning the means of production.

    This isn't the case anywhere in Europe.

    [–]Druullus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Unless all the means of production is owned by the state, it is capitalism and it ain't Socialism?

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cooperative_federations
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_cooperatives
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

    [–]GConly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Yeah... Now look at what percentage of the economy these collectives make up in Europe.

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    " This isn't the case anywhere in Europe. "

    Then clearly this is false, because some is more than none.

    I recommend actually looking into how powerful the Mondragon Corporation actually is.

    I didn't go on to list MANY other instances, such as the Italian policy that allows you to collect all of your unemployment at once as long as you team up with 10 other unemployed people to start up a new worker coop.

    Being in denial doesn't make you correct.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Anyone who thinks politicians have "long vacations" doesn't know how congress works. Or management in general. Congressmen have to manage their staff and information, and while they're not in session are playing catch-up with introduced legislation, their constituents, their funding, the whole mess. They have "long vacations" in the same way teachers have "long vacations". At only a salary of 174,000, nobody is going to bother shooting for the stars in a congressional seat, spend millions of dollars in advertising, for a salary that won't come close to compensating the expense.

    Really, this is just more short-sighted overly simplistic snobbery from someone who doesn't know how the world works. If you exercise, and avoid over indulgence, alcohol, etc, all things that are free, you will enjoy a mostly healthy and long life. The only reason healthcare is expensive now is due to having to subsidize all the morbidly obese and incredibly ill people who've done it to themselves. There are solutions to this, such as financially paying people to get better (this works surprisingly well and saves on healthcare expenses way over the payments), but nothing that'll ever get done so long as people push ridiculous ideas instead of real world tested ones.

    [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    It's a feel-good cheap shot by an internet communist. What did you expect?

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    A cheap shot that is not wrong.

    [–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There are two different approaches to this. First: everyone else should have the same. Impossible. The resources don't exist for everyone to receive the high level of attention our overlords expect. Second: congress (and all those who grant themselves such service at the expense of those they "serve", e.g. corporate leadership) should be stripped of these privileges. This is slightly more realistic, in that it is possible within the resource base (i.e. earth) which we inhabit. Human nature, however, has never formed a highly-developed society where the "top dogs" (a.k.a. pigs, uberclass, royalty, aristocracy, enlightened ruling class etc, etc) don't separate out from those "below" them and give themselves such goodies. Socialism has shown itself time and time again simply a different flavor of the same phenomenon. So while this would be a more just arrangement, I would not hold my breath. As an individual, try to form as local a resource base as you can. This will give you the best shot at some bit of input when the "divvie time" comes up.

    [–]EpsteinIsHung 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Clearly we fail to understand that if everyone was able to get healthcare like this, the entire world's economy would collapse because we just don't have the resources or empathy for anyone who is not rich!

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    " the entire world's economy would collapse "

    That's nonsense. All you really need is the political willpower, but they would rather spend their money on war and death tech than health and life tech. As long as we are sick and broken cultures we are easily controlled while enough of us are still able to be profitable debt slaves. They only allow us to have the bare minimum without a legit revolt.

    [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    This sounds cleaver but if you actually think about it you will notice it doesn't actually make sense. Congress does not produce anything which is then taken away from them and redistributed to everyone. Their healthcare is not free, it is paid for by their employer. Most of their money is made through corruption, which you can say is just like socialist leaders, but that is exactly the part that socialists claim isn't real socialism.

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Clever, not cleaver. Not the first time.

    It makes clear sense. You are too determined not to see the forest through your imaginary twisted trees that read far more unstated nonsense into this, bending into pretzels to accommodate your biased divisive misinformation agenda.

    " Most of their money is made through corruption "

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    Their entire matrix of rigged systems is corrupt!