BisexualFeeling Isolated As A GC Bisexual.

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    [–]venusflytrap 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

    This is absolutely untrue. Bisexuals are seen as the dumping ground for transgender people. "Leave homosexuals alone, just date bisexuals. They like both sexes," like we have no standards and will have sex with and date anyone. On top of that, our community has been overrun by transgender and "queer" people, who have changed the definition of bisexuality itself. You can see it for yourself.

    Trans people are a threat to everyone, not just gay men and lesbians.

    [–]throwaway999 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    Trans people are a threat to everyone, not just gay men and lesbians.

    Can you at least see that they're more of a threat to monosexuals, especially homosexuals because of their disadvantaged position in society? Because like Daddiescummies (lmfao) said, they really want to have sex with a real gay for the ultimate validation high.

    And to me, this:

    "Leave homosexuals alone, just date bisexuals. They like both sexes,"

    seems like just a simple statement of fact. That's really the only option other than fetishists, because monosexuals will be especially repulsed by seeing sex-characteristics of the sex they aren't into, even if that person is of the sex they're interested in.

    [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Can you at least see that they're more of a threat to monosexuals

    Of course we can, we're here supporting you too! It's not a competition or about who is being threatened MORE.

    Bisexuals are stating that we're being attacked as well, and also being completely isolated from our community. Lets not forget that bisexual is no longer recognized as "attraction to both/2 sexes" and is now alleged to mean "attraction to 2-or-more genders" ... and how even that newspeak definition is being called bigoted, in favor of "pansexual".

    "Leave homosexuals alone, just date bisexuals. They like both sexes"
    seems like just a simple statement of fact

    Just because bisexuals are attracted to both sexes doesn't mean we want a person who has surgically-modified themselves to be a conglomeration of both.

    That's really the only option other than fetishists

    Don't really care if an amalgam human experiment only has fetishists left. That's their problem, not bisexuals. Just like it's not your problem that they primarily focus on monosexuals.

    [–]throwaway999 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Just because bisexuals are attracted to both sexes doesn't mean we want a person who has surgically-modified themselves to be a conglomeration of both.

    I never said that. All I said was that the only people who could possibly be interested in trans-id people are bisexuals or fetishists.

    Don't really care if an amalgam human experiment only has fetishists left.

    Nor do I, but the fact remains, some bisexuals and fetishists are attracted to them. Some bisexuals are included. I never said "bisexuals have to fuck trans people", I literally just said the only people who could are bis and fetishists.

    Just like it's not your problem that they primarily focus on monosexuals.

    It is my problem because I'm an LG ally.

    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    the only people who could possibly be interested in trans-id people are bisexuals or fetishists.

    That's absolutely not true.

    1) fetish is not a sexuality, it's a paraphilia and can affect anyone
    2) there are homosexual transsexuals
    3) a man attracted to a trans woman is homosexual or bisexual because both are male. A woman attracted to a trans man is homosexual or bisexual because both are female. Feelings about gender presentation doesn't change sexual orientation

    It is my problem because I'm an LG ally.

    Not good enough, as our LG brothers and sisters have been expressing. Tidy your own house.

    [–]throwaway999 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    1) I never said otherwise, so I don't know why you would say this. Almost as if you're trying to paint me in a bad light.

    2) Yes, I know.

    3) That's all very obvious.

    Not good enough, as our LG brothers and sisters have been expressing. Tidy your own house.

    That's why I'm here explaining this lol

    [–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    "Leave homosexuals alone, just date bisexuals. They like both sexes,"

    But trans people AREN'T "both sexes"; they're not hermaphrodites. They're either men or women. And we aren't attracted to every man or every woman, so why would it be any different with them?

    Furthermore, even if they WERE hermaphrodites? It doesn't follow that bisexuals would be attracted to them THEN, either. Just because we like both men and women doesn't mean that we want 'em BLENDED. I mean, I really like both tuna salad sandwiches and hot fudge sundaes, but I damn sure ain't interested in MIXING 'EM TOGETHER. Separately, they're great; but as one combo dish? NO FUCKING THANKS.

    [–]throwaway999 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    But trans people AREN'T "both sexes"; they're not hermaphrodites. They're either men or women. And we aren't attracted to every man or every woman, so why would it be any different with them?

    I never said they were both sexes or that bisexuals are attracted to every man and woman. All I said is that only a bisexual (or fetishist) is capable of not being repulsed by a trans person's mixed sex characteristics. Obviously, some, maybe even most, bisexuals are repulsed anyway, but it's not because they are repulsed by either maleness or femaleness the way a monosexual would be--the vast majority of monosexuals could not date any trans person because their orientation prevents it.

    I really like both tuna salad sandwiches and hot fudge sundaes, but I damn sure ain't interested in MIXING 'EM TOGETHER. Separately, they're great; but as one combo dish? NO FUCKING THANKS.

    Lol.

    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Who cares if bisexuals could technically possibly not be repulsed by trans people? What is your point, why are you even bringing that up in a support thread for bisexuals?

    [–]throwaway999 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Who cares if bisexuals could technically possibly not be repulsed by trans people?

    Because it's important to recognize the way in which bisexuality and monosexuality (though specifically homosexuality) differ when it comes to trans attraction. The average gay male is not gonna like a man with titties, because titties remind him of women, which he finds repulsive. Now, a bisexual may find a man with titties repulsive, but only because it's weird and unnatural, not because they are repulsed by the (seemingly) femaleness of the titties, or the maleness of the man. In the homosexual's case (which applies, though slightly differently obviously, to all monosexuals), the repulsion is based on his orientation. In the bisexual's case, the repulsion is based on a preference, which is a completely normal, natural, and understandable preference to have, but this understanding sheds light on the reason why the proportion of bisexuals in the TRA movement is much higher. A bisexual is likely to be repulsed by a transsexual, but a monosexual will be repulsed by a transsexual 99.9% of the time.

    why are you even bringing that up in a support thread for bisexuals?

    Because I was explaining to the person I originally quoted what the reasoning was behind that statement.

    [–]HelloMomo 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    I've seen bisexuals get told they "have no excuse," and bisexuals (especially bi women) treated like some communal sexual resource. It's fucked up.

    [–]Ladiablapequena[S] 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Yes, I've seen this in action. The TQ+ crowd treats bi's as a consolation prize that's not quite good enough.

    I've read numerous confessions of them saying that dating bi people triggers them because we actually might be attracted to their male or female bodies.

    Also like to call us cum dumpsters and diseased but still feel some sort of entitlement to a relationship with a bisexual. I've experienced some weird indignant rage when I tell them "actually not really into trans people". Like how dare you lowly nympho maniac deny me you're supposed to accept everything.

    [–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Also like to call us cum dumpsters and diseased but still feel some sort of entitlement to a relationship with a bisexual. I've experienced some weird indignant rage when I tell them "actually not really into trans people". Like how dare you lowly nympho maniac deny me you're supposed to accept everything.

    Yeah, since they refuse to understand that we're a sexual orientation rather than the Ultimate Sluts, what they hear when you say this is: "I'm DTF everyone except YOU". When really the truth is probably more like, "I'm not DTF the vast majority of people, INCLUDING YOU".

    [–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You heard of the Social Safety Net? The presumed duty of bisexuals is to be a kind of Sexual Safety Net for trans who take the risky gamble on transitioning in some way and to some degree but never succeed in their goal of passing and/or getting someone of their preferred orientation and sex. So whenever a Bi somewhere states that they don't actually want any trans, they feel the acute fear that this safety net(that is suppose to always gently catch them in their lowest moment of abject failure) simply might not be there at all.. and them possibly hitting the cold hard ground of rejection completely unmitigated. That is why there is such an extreme reaction to bisexuals expressing any sexual autonomy. Especially if their transition is irreversible.

    [–]Ladiablapequena[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Interesting. I have not but it makes sense. This makes it even more important for bisexual to wake up and speak out against the TQ+ community.

    [–]shveya 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That's so rapey.

    [–]Daddiescummies 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    But that's not a problem specific to trans people. It's literally just rape culture.

    [–]throwaway999 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

    trans people aren't demanding sex from you to validate their gender delusions.

    True, which is why it's very important for us to be allies with L&G, especially since we outnumber you.

    What I got from this post is that her point is that she's feeling isolated because most bisexuals are TRAs, but yeah, that is up to us to corral our own.

    [–]PatsyStoneMaverique 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

    that is up to us to corral our own.

    We'll in that case, I'd like to take this opportunity to present my candidacy for Bisexual Sheriff 🤠

    We're in dire need of some policing 'round here, and I'm just the tough-but-fair enforcer to do it. Bisexuals are out of control, Law and Order need to be restored- and ignorance of the law is no excuse! As a member of the community I can speak to them with more efficacy than outside authorities.

    Good citizens of this forum, I certainly hope I can count on your support during this trying time while we deal with the Bisexuals.

    ✌️Vote for me! ✌️

    [–]throwaway999 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    Okay, now do that for the TRA bis and pan/omni/poly/queer bis. That's obviously what I was talking about.

    [–]PatsyStoneMaverique 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    Relentlessly harassing people until we get banned doesn't appear to work.

    I think we need to brainstorm strategies that are actually effective. As in, the actions we take actually achieve the result that we want.

    [–]throwaway999 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Then what do you suggest?

    [–]PatsyStoneMaverique 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Hit me with ideas!

    [–]throwaway999 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    So you're just complaining about my method of spreading awareness by commenting, especially places where you can't be banned such as YouTube, and calling it out when people tell lies and use false definitions, but you have no alternative suggestions of your own?

    [–]PatsyStoneMaverique 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    No, I'm trying to get you to brainstorm. Please come up with something.

    [–]throwaway999 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    I'm already doing something, while the only thing you're doing is griping about my method. I can't do everything for you. Come up with an idea yourself.

    [–]Daddiescummies 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    especially since we outnumber you.

    Are you including the fake bisexuals who pretend to be gay when they want attention and retreat back to heterosexuality when they are tired of homophobia or want to re-integrate into heterosexual privilege?

    [–]throwaway999 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Are you including the fake bisexuals who pretend to be gay when they want attention and retreat back to heterosexuality when they are tired of homophobia or want to re-integrate into heterosexual privilege?

    Uh, are they actually interested in both men and women? If so, they are actual bisexuals, not "fake bisexuals". Because yeah, some bisexuals do pretend to be gay, which is a problem. Or, are you using the word "gay" as a term for all same-sex attracted people, including bisexuals? It just wasn't clear. But yeah, we really outnumber you, though most of us don't identify as bi.

    [–]Daddiescummies 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Uh, are they actually interested in both men and women?

    No, but they will say they are for attention until the costs of homophobia outweigh the benefits.

    [–]throwaway999 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    I see this hypothetical het-but-pretending-to-be-bi boogeyman brought up everywhere and I've never met one. You're probably just thinking of het-leaning bis, who will often use homosexuals for sex and then fuck off because they desire the het marriage lifestyle. Of course, this does not describe all het-leaning bis, which are a huge group of people, but this is a recurring pattern due to internalized homophobia (see: heteroromantic bisexuals).

    [–]venusflytrap 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    People just don't like bisexuals. I've noticed.

    [–]throwaway999 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    The hypothetical het-but-pretending-to-be-bi boogeyman actually stands in defense of bisexuals. It basically exists to say: a bi person didn't do something bad! A bi person didn't cause harm to LGB! A bi person didn't defend TRA ideology using rhetoric created by bisexuals which only remotely makes sense to bisexuals (specifically talking about the "sexuality is fluid" myth, but there are many others, such as: "genitals != gender", "who cares what genitals your partner has, bigot")! That person isn't bi! They're really straight but pretending to be bi for attention! Instead of accepting the possibility that a bi person really did do a bad thing.

    [–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    TRA ideology using rhetoric created by bisexuals which only remotely makes sense to bisexuals (specifically talking about the "sexuality is fluid" myth, but there are many others, such as: "genitals != gender", "who cares what genitals your partner has, bigot")!

    Except this rhetoric DOESN'T make sense to bisexuals; we KNOW that our sexuality isn't "fluid" (any more than yours is), we aren't attracted to "gender", and we DAMN SURE CARE WHAT GENITALS OUR PARTNER HAS. What the hell? We're a SEXUAL ORIENTATION, dude. Which NONE of these things is compatible with.

    You know what they ARE compatible with? FANTASIES about bisexuality... as seen from the outside. By people who aren't bisexual. For whom we're merely symbols. Of some woke delusion about how human sexuality "should" work. Everyone oughtta be totally uninhibited! And above such LOWLY concerns as which kind of genitals anybody has! You shouldn't even NOTICE that! Cuz it's all about "gender identity" anyway! THAT'S what people are attracted to-- not your biological sex, but whether you have ladyfeelz or dudefeelz! (Or nonbinaryfeelz, or starfeelz, or whateverthefuckfeelz.) And OF COURSE this is how bisexuality works, since it's not as though we're a sexual orientation or anything! We're the JUNK DRAWER of sexuality! Doesn't fit anywhere else? Just throw it ALL in there!

    So, yeah, this really DOES sound like the Q talking. For whom "attracted to both sexes" means "doesn't CARE what sex anyone is cuz they're attracted to GENDER and totally indiscriminate = LIVIN' THE WOKESTER DREAMTM". Which they are free to think because they don't have any pesky REALITY getting in the way... like we bisexuals do.

    [–]throwaway999 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Except this rhetoric DOESN'T make sense to bisexuals;

    I am a bi former TRA, this is what I and several other former bi friends believed. Yes, it's anecdotal, but you can see this rhetoric embraced in bi and TRA communities.

    (any more than yours is)

    Lol, you're not the first to assume I'm gay.

    You know what they ARE compatible with? FANTASIES about bisexuality... as seen from the outside. By people who aren't bisexual. For whom we're merely symbols. Of some woke delusion about how human sexuality "should" work. Everyone oughtta be totally uninhibited! And above such LOWLY concerns as which kind of genitals anybody has! You shouldn't even NOTICE that! Cuz it's all about "gender identity" anyway! THAT'S what people are attracted to-- not your biological sex, but whether you have ladyfeelz or dudefeelz! (Or nonbinaryfeelz, or starfeelz, or whateverthefuckfeelz.) And OF COURSE this is how bisexuality works, since it's not as though we're a sexual orientation or anything! We're the JUNK DRAWER of sexuality! Doesn't fit anywhere else? Just throw it ALL in there!

    So, yeah, this really DOES sound like the Q talking. For whom "attracted to both sexes" means "doesn't CARE what sex anyone is cuz they're attracted to GENDER and totally indiscriminate = LIVIN' THE WOKESTER DREAMTM". Which they are free to think because they don't have any pesky REALITY getting in the way... like we bisexuals do.

    This is a strawman. Obviously I don't agree with TRA rhetoric. All I said is that bisexuals are the only orientation who would not be repulsed by transsexuals on the basis of their orientation, because a bisexual is not repulsed by either sex's primary or secondary sex characteristics. For example, a lesbian would be repulsed by a transsexual male because he is male, and would be repulsed by a transsexual female because she has biologically masculine characteristics, such as increased body and even facial hair and lack of breasts.

    My point about "sexuality is fluid" being a bi thing is because it is. Let me explain: "sexuality" is fluid does kind of sound meaningless, but what it means is that sexuality can change. It's fluid as opposed to solid or rigid. Now, for a bisexual, one's orientation may appear to change. One day, a bi man may see an attractive man, and think, hmm I am attracted to men today. That makes me a gay man. Then the next day, he sleeps with an attractive woman and enjoys it. "Wow, she turned me straight." This is the kind of nonsense a bisexual may think up in a homophobic world with no bi community. Obviously, that isn't going on with the bi community here on saidit, but we're a tiny minority. There are also sane bis outside of our community, but there also are a ton who are not, as is extensively documented on our sub.