DiscussionIf women ran the world...

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[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I think homophobia would be no more or less prevalent, just different.

Some straight women, particularly so-called "political lesbians", seem to view female homosexuality with a sort of benevolent-homophobia lens, similarly to how many TRAs do-- "it's so OPEN-MINDED to be a lesbian!" "Being lesbian is a choice that everybody should make!" etc. Ascribing character judgments on the basis of sexual orientation, and suggesting that sexual orientation is a choice. On the other hand, there are the heterosexual women who treat same-sex-attracted women like a disease; that's been more of my personal experience.

There is some sort of myth that women are "better" and "kinder" and "more caring" than men, so therefore they should run the world... that's some benevolent sexism bullshit. I don't think homophobia would be way less of a problem with women running the world, it would just be a different problem. The fact is, LGB people are naturally a statistical minority and so we're always going to be at a disadvantage because of that. (The same way that women are at a disadvantage compared to men because on average, they're noticeably physically weaker.)

Power-seeking groups of humans often see a smaller group as a prime target from which to steal resources and unify against; that fact alone may breed homophobia, even in the most fair, thoughtful, and ideal societies. That's just my opinion.

[–]reluctant_commenter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Also, exponent2 is making broad generalizations about lesbians. Most lesbians are not radical feminists, and radical feminism has harmed lesbians as well as gay men.

[–]exponent2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

You dont seem particularly insane and the broad generalizations are accurate because the pattern is...general. The overwhelming majority of lesbians keep forgetting that straight women are heterosexuals. How many ways are lesbians going to find ways to split off from gay men in the stupidest ways possible and constantly create weak links within the homosexual community. They even made up their own stupid flag and that ended up creating 60000 more flags for every idiotic group. And the whole "lesbo-phobia" thing distorts so much when discussing homophobia. And if lesbophobia exists, then it infers gay-a-phobia exists. Do people not see what a waste of fucking stupid time this separatism is?

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why do you hate lesbians so much? Do you think they're the cause of all of LGBs woes? Nearly every comment you make is about how much lesbians suck because they're all radfems (they're not), or that they do things to ruin LGB, such as make their own flag and want to separate.

On the subject of lesbophobia, I do think it's a thing, as well as what you call gay-a-phobia. For example, straight women I've spoken to who show homophobia were often homophobic towards lesbians and bisexual women (often predatory in their minds), but had gay male friends that they clearly didn't feel were a threat in any way. The same way, straight men can find feminine lesbians 'hot', but can on the other hand despise gay men and see them as predatory. There is a pattern, wouldn't you say? These people are only homophobic towards one sex but see no threat in the other. Ergo, separate phobias.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You dont seem particularly insane

Thanks lmao.

the broad generalizations are accurate because the pattern is...general.

I really think you might be mistaking some of those "lesbians" when they may actually just be radfem straight women who pretend to be lesbian because they think it's a "noble choice" for them to make. Unfortunately, straight women can talk over us just the same as men in dresses can talk over us, because female homosexuality (like male homosexuality) is a statistical minority.

The overwhelming majority of lesbians keep forgetting that straight women are heterosexuals.

I'm curious, who are you talking about when you say this? Most self-described lesbians I've talked to on saidit do understand that straight women are heterosexual. If you're talking about the LARPers on Reddit, well, most of them are actually AGP men, and of the women, many are of the "spicy straight" persuasion, unfortunately.

Do people not see what a waste of fucking stupid time this separatism is?

To be honest, I completely agree with you. I have yet to hear a good argument for why we should "get the L out" for example. I appreciate hearing gay and bisexual men's experiences and while I also see the need for spaces specific to each sexual orientation-- e.g. having bars for gay men as well as bars for lesbian women-- I think it makes sense to have a united front for same-sex rights.

[–]exponent2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've been on ovarit. And when i mean "been on ovarit", i mean i've read almost every single comment on every single post there.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i think you are confusing lesbians ans sjw's. Not all sjw's are lesbians. They are straight women, straight guys and even gay men who are pushing the gender garbage on us.

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But Ovarit is a site for radical feminists, not specifically lesbians. That's where the GenderCritical crowd went after getting banned (besides s/GenderCritical). I think there is a lesbian group on there but that's only a minority of lesbians, anyway.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly