Gay MenStop telling women to invade gay men’s spaces - "You’re kidding right" video

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[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I appreciate the work this lady is doing for the lesbian, gay and bisexual communities. Especially for gay men in this video. I support the existence of male-only spaces and female-only spaces, and I’m glad she does as well.

And yes, you do need permission to enter certain spaces, especially if they were not intended for you. A space for gay men is only for gay men. I’m fine with women visiting certain gay establishments, but they are guests at these establishments. I, as a man, would be a guest at a lesbian bar or any other lesbian venue if I were permitted to enter such a space, and I would not be expected to be granted permission to enter because those spaces are not for me. Problem is, TRAs don’t like that and they want to go everywhere they want. And to make matters worse, our so-called advocates and allies have sided with the TRAs. So now we have to fight for the continue existence of our single-sex spaces.

[–]hellonumpty 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The author of that article is a trans woman. Only trans people are allowed their own spaces of course. 🙄

[–]Rag3[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup. I left that salient point out because it makes much more sense than an ardent libfem writing it.

[–]millicentfawcett 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I remember when this article was first published. It caused quite a bit of consternation with a lot of men getting (not unreasonably) pissed off. It turned into a bit of a war of the sexes. Problem is of course it wasn't written by someone female but that was largely ignored or the information would be lost amongst the comments of wherever it was posted. I remember thinking it was designed to be inflammatory and pit gay men against women. I've not changed my mind on that.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Obnoxious Trans bigmouth causing conflict between the sexes again. Big surprise.

[–]Dromedary 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I love that lady- Karen is her name? I've taken to checking in on her every night, always entertaining. I heartily agree with her sensible points, and the way she delivers them is so smooth, unflappable, eloquent. And often very funny, sometimes with just the arch of an eyebrow.

[–]Rag3[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, her name is Karen and I also appreciate having her in my daily rotation of GC videos daily. I’m glad that others enjoy her wit and dry delivery of facts with the right level of outrage and intelligence. :)

She’s a gem.

[–]Rag3[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I added the timestamp for when Karen starts to read an article from Out "dear gay men stop telling women they can’t be in gay bars"

Part 2:

https://youtu.be/ZGoHqb-sNdQ

[–]Rag3[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Here is the article:

I see it on my Facebook feed every couple of months: a gay man complaining about women in gay bars. Sometimes it's a complaint about annoying bachelorette parties who harass and tokenize men who are simply trying to dance and hook up. Sometimes it's a guy saying he doesn't feel comfortable having sex at a sex party if there are women around. Sometimes it's some older gay man saying, "There should be no fish allowed." That is seriously a comment on saw on a Facebook post this week.

Dear gay men, stop telling women they can't be in gay bars.

I know this might surprise you, but in 2017, women can go anywhere we want to! And furthermore, we don't need your approval to do it! When I see these kinds of discussions on social media, there are usually a few men who comment something like, "I love bringing my girls to the club!" Well, that's nice, but not only do women not need your approval to be somewhere, we also don't need you to take us anywhere. We know how to drive, get on the subway, flag down a cab, or download Uber.

Related | Bridal Party Problems: How Bachelorettes Are Ruining Gay Nightlife

I understand that bachelorette parties can be annoying, that they do harass and tokenize gay men, and I would have nothing wrong with someone saying, "I don't think bachelorette parties should come into gay bars and harass and tokenize gay men," but saying that no women should be in gay bars is a false equivalency because not all women in gay bars are there to drink through penis straws and request that the DJ play "The Thong Song," even though the DJ totally should play "The Thong Song." Women in gay bars are not limited to bachelorettes, did you forget that queer women exist? Trans women? Straight women with gay friends or straight women who just like gay bars or drag queens? Well, yeah, you probably did.

And even if you did, requiring some kind of reason for a woman to be in a gay bar, or an excuse or some gay to supervise her, is misogyny. Questioning a woman's right to be anywhere or do anything is misogyny. It's perfectly fine to ask cis-hetero women to be more respectful of our spaces instead of being misogynists.

The real t is that misogyny is a huge issue in the gay community, and this is one of the ways it's most frequently enacted. If you can't dance to some shitty house song or go down on a stranger just because a woman is in the room, you need to examine what that says about you, not call for that woman's removal.

And seriously, DJs, I want to hear "The Thong Song" more, ok?

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

do youi have a link? id want to check if there is a comment section

[–]BusterGrundle 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bridal Party Problems: How Bachelorettes Are Ruining Gay Nightlife

https://www.out.com/lifestyle/2016/4/11/bridal-party-problems-how-bachelorettes-are-ruining-gay-nightlife

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Karen's take on the madness is very refreshing. I've been watching her videos for about 2 months now and her commentary is much needed.