Watching ContraPoints for the first time, and while the videos are entertaining and well-edited, I feel like they purposefully ignore the "inconvenient" parts of the online trans community

submitted by dilsencySame-sex community from self.LGBDropTheT

Now I've only watched a few videos so far, so if what I'm saying here is addressed in another, please let me know.

I've heard ContraPoints named before as one of the "reasonable" activists on YouTube, but I haven't watched any of their videos before today. And because they admit to being of the male sex, and that there are differences between transwomen and (in their words) "cis" women, I wouldn't have any problems with them.

Except, when doing so, they make the claim that "no transwoman thinks feminiinty and womanhood is the same". And "nobody** thinks that transwomen are identical to 'cis' women". Which is absolutely not what TRA claim online. And the transactivism movement certainly seeks to remove any legal difference between transwomen and women, while preventing you from stating otherwise. It's impossible for someone so invested in transgender research to not notice the biological sex deniers, so refusing to mention them feels dishonest.

They also paint "TERF"s as an organized group of haters that go on random newly transed people's profile just to "misgender" them or berate them. Without showing screenshots. It feels dishonest to make such a statement if they're not going to even mention they way lesbians are treated by transwomen & co. for not sucking dick. Of which there are many screenshots of.

Overall I actually kind of enjoy their videos, and I will watch a few more. I think it's important to get viewpoints of people other than those you already agree with. I assume the point of the channel is to explain the trans community and experience with reason, and I think they would do well at it if they were interested in showing why some homosexuals take aversion to the current state of the TRA movement.

There are other points they make that I take note of, like in how they often have to explain that transactivists make X argument when they really mean Y. It feels like they are making excuses for the community at times, as if a transactivist couldn't possibly supply a poor argument. They also claim that 0 people see them as their birth sex in the real world. This is something I see claimed by every single trans YouTuber, and they always seem to ignore that people know that misgendering is uncouth and impolite and have no desire to cause a conflict with a stranger, as I assume that explanation would be an insult to their ego.

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[–]reluctant_commenter 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Contrapoints is an AGP denier... he even made a video that was ostensibly about AGP and avoided a refutation of it, and instead spent a substantial portion of it praising the "mouthfeel" of girldick and encouraging people not attracted to men (i.e. not attracted to male humans) to try it.

I agree with the first half of your assessment. I have watched 3-4 Contrapoints videos myself and decided to stop watching him because he pushes conversion therapy rhetoric and it was making me feel sick. I can only stomach so much of that in the name of "intellectual curiosity". He masquerades as open-minded but if you listen carefully you'll notice that he only explores nuance when it benefits his positions, and brushes over it when it would undermine his argument.

There are other points they make that I take note of, like in how they often have to explain that transactivists make X argument when they really mean Y. It feels like they are making excuses for the community at times, as if a transactivist couldn't possibly supply a poor argument.

Agreed.

edit: a word

[–]diapason 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and instead spent a substantial portion of it praising the "mouthfeel" of girldick

Ewwwww. "Mouthfeel" shouldn't be used for anything but food IMO 🤢

[–]Femaleisnthateful 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the summary. I'm aware of Contrapoints but haven't watched the videos. I have enough problems with fuckin' Jessie Gender popping up on my YouTube feed. I believe Contrapoints is on the 'JK Rowling is a terf' side of the fence, which is my litmus test of whether a trans person is sufficiently rational or not.

[–]diapason 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Contrapoints seems to be all style and no substance. He's pretty disingenuous with much of what he says and makes a lot of nonsensical or illogical points IMO. Granted, I've only seen a couple of his videos, but that's just the impression I got.

[–]usehername 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Contrapoints is very deep in the ideology. If you're looking for a "reasonable" transsexual, I'd recommend Blaire White. His takes on trans ideology are great, but he's in deep denial when it comes to actual transsexualism (as are all transsexuals), and he's an antifeminist, which, to be fair, is the only POV transsexualism makes sense from. Contrapoints doesn't even pretend that his claims have any sort of basis. Very little effort, in my opinion. He spends too much time doing his makeup and not enough time thinking about his own logic, then he just spends the entire video whining. Completely insufferable.

[–]reluctant_commenter 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

and he's an antifeminist, which, to be fair, is the only POV transsexualism makes sense from.

That's an accurate short summary of transsexualism. Sexist by design. (And homophobic by design.)

[–]Seahorse 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Contrapoints is the transwoman version of Milo Yonoupolos.

I basically treat him as a troll and nothing more.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Contrapoints is very extremely calculated to come off as vulnerable and honest, revealing deep dark secrets, but in reality, every piece of information he shares is curated, strategic and precise. You can really see it in the Cringe video. He knows being transgender is bullshit, but he is extremely clever. He wants to present transgenderism as something that should be accepted. He's basically grooming the viewer by letting them in, sharing the secrets, getting them to sympathize and empathize. Watch, learn, but be wary.

[–]8bitgay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Would you have any videos to recommend? If possible, it'd be nice to see one video that you find more reasonable, one that you find least reasonable, and one that you think exemplifies this situation of purposefully ignoring vocal parts of the community.

[–]reluctant_commenter 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'd recommend his video on autogynephilia so you can get an honest impression of him... he decides not to refute any of the research on the topic, glossing over it so that he can instead talk about the "mouthfeel" of "girldick".

I'm all in favor of exploring other viewpoints but if you are looking for reasonable views from a trans person, the closest I can think of would be Blaire White. Contrapoints has a video about cancel culture that I found interesting, but given his pattern of glossing over details that he finds inconvenient, I kind of wonder if he only felt compelled to make the cancel culture video because he was "cancelled"...

[–]diapason 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah if you're looking for the best reasoning that tends to come from either Blaire White or Rose of Dawn. I agree with both of them on plenty and disagree on plenty too, but they tend to be the most reasonable

[–]Seahorse 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep I agree Blaire White at least somewhat respectable with the TRA related stuff.

Won't common on the other stuff though.