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[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Wanted to share in case anyone was interested in combing through and connecting names to positions and whatnot. If I get a chance today I will.

editing with more detail:

alternative to LGB Alliance's thread: Safe Schools UK thread https://mobile.twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1359811845704581120

Robin White

Ben Cooper QC

Anthony Johnston

  • suggested during hearing: "Claimant has still not named those she accuses of discrimination/victimisation. " -> Translation: Allison Bailey doesn't know some of the people tied to Stonewall who pressured the people at Garden Court to discriminate against her; she hasn't named many of them because their names are being kept hidden by Stonewall.

Miss Khan

[–]millicentfawcett 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Additional info- Robin Moira White is trans. They also were on yesterdays legal panel giving evidence to the Women & Equalities Committee on GRA reform. It can be watched here https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/fb12feef-6d41-457a-a102-ea59813bb583. Robin is also a semi frequent contributor to Mumsnet under their real name where they exhibit a strong disdain for the concerns of women.

Judy Khan I think is the head of GC Chambers?

Both Ben and Robin are part of the same Chambers (not GCC) despite being on opposing sides

One of the people frequently mentioned in the thread is Michelle Brewer who is a barrister at Garden Court, co founder of TELI a trans legal organisation and somebody who heavily criticised the Get the L Out women who demonstrated at London Pride a few years back.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Judy Khan I think is the head of GC Chambers?

According to Garden Court Chambers' website she's not head of chambers, she's 'just' a QC.

Both Ben and Robin are part of the same Chambers (not GCC) despite being on opposing sides.

I'm led to believe this is not unusual in legal cases, especially since barristers which practice the same area of law tend to cluster together.

[–]millicentfawcett 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for clarifying. I'd read conflicting things so wasn't totally sure.

No it's not unusual at all for barristers to be from the same chamber, it was just a little aside.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wanted to also add a link as well: Allison Bailey: "I am suing Stonewall to stop them policing free speech"

It's an interesting quick read from Ms. Bailey:s perspective on the issue.

Below are some of the headers & brief info:

  • Coming out in the era of section 28

  • LGB & racial politics in the USA

  • Black Lives Matter

  • The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self-identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.

  • Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity

  • The need for a new lesbian, gay and bisexual organisation: the birth of the LGB Alliance

In 2019, I helped to set up the LGB Alliance with other campaigners and activists who felt, like me, that organisations such as Stonewall had seriously lost their way in recent years: they had conflated sex with gender, meaning that same sex attraction – the fundamental basis of lesbian and gay attraction, and therefore the fundamental basis of lesbian and gay rights – was no longer recognised. The impacts of this have been several and severe, and in order to campaign properly for gay and lesbian rights, we felt that a new organisation was required.

  • Leaving women with no legally enforceable boundaries against men: Stonewall’s Acceptance without Exception policy

Stonewall later complained about me to my chambers was my vociferous objection to a Stonewall advocate lecturing on the “cotton ceiling” – the term used to encourage lesbians to have sex with males. This is in my view abusive, coercive and fundamentally homophobic. It ought to be absolutely anathema to any organisation which labels itself as a gay rights organisation as Stonewall does.

  • Stonewall (a registered charity) throwing its weight around & trying to police & silence its critics

Over a week later, I was informed that a complaint had been received from Stonewall and that this was now under investigation. When the complaint was provided to me, I saw that what Stonewall had written was misleading and disingenuous. The complaint included a threat that Stonewall’s relationship with chambers would be damaged unless chambers took action against me.

  • Stonewall: nothing to disclose — until there was

I lodged Subject Access Requests to my chambers and to Stonewall, asking for the data they held on me. My chambers replied with 4 lever arches of documents; Stonewall initially denied that they had any documents at all, despite the fact that their complaint to my chambers had already been provided to me so I knew that they had this document at least – and the absence of that document in their response indicated that there were other documents to which I was entitled and which they were withholding from me.

  • The case against Stonewall (& my chambers)

It alleges that I have been indirectly discriminated against because both my chambers and Stonewall treat people such as me who hold gender critical beliefs as being bigoted and unworthy of respect. Those people are overwhelmingly women. This treatment is therefore indirectly discriminatory against women.

  • What I am crowdfunding for and why I need your help

This is a case about me and my treatment. But it is also a case about Stonewall and its conduct against people who hold beliefs like mine. I do not believe that my treatment by Stonewall is unique, and I suspect that there are many others (whether they know it or not) who have been subjected to the same treatment. I hope that as a result of bringing this claim this treatment will stop.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fortunately she has gotten her crowdfunding back up!

Also I am super slow at getting back to you, sorry lol. Will soon!

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for this, seems I'm going to need to get some more popcorn.

[–]MyLongestJourney 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good luck Allison!

[–]millicentfawcett 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Live tweeting for today's (second) session is here https://twitter.com/ALLIANCELGB/status/1360163707175776256

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you!! Appreciate the updates.

[–]millicentfawcett 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's not looking good so far today for Allison. The session isn't over but as her QC is pointing out they've been forced into a Catch 22 with redactions. The judge wouldn't allow full disclosure for these hearings but without disclosure it's not looking like she will be granted a full hearing.

[–]millicentfawcett 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Adjourned for lunch now after which we'll hear from the judge. Keeping everything crossed for her but it's feeling at the moment like an attempted stitch up with the lack of full disclosure from Stonewall and GCC.

[–]millicentfawcett 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It was touch and go for a while with the redaction issues but it looks like Allison can take the case forward. Judge agreed there was evidence of collusion and influence between SW and GCC. Judge felt case has a reasonable chance of success.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nice