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[–]DestructionI ❤️ adult human females 24 insightful - 8 fun24 insightful - 7 fun25 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

The majority of reddit is pornsick men who'll fuck anything that's vaguely woman shaped so the comments on this one don't even surprise me.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That’s hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣

[–]_Moon_ 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Calling out "homophobic bi/het libfems" is absolutely legitimate. The most vicious "allies" of transsexual males are their lesbophobic handmaidens - and virtually all of these handmaidens identify as something "queer" and adhere to liberal feminism. Woke womxn' liberal feminism is basically a love/hate Daddy-issue relationship with tall, white, straight, blond, bearded Daddydoms. Hardly a tradwife-type who worships the D as much as these lesbophobic "bi/het libfems" who think that refusing it should be illegal.

Sadly, calling out women for their BS and holding them responsible for it is something no brand of feminism - neither liberal feminism nor radical feminism - is willing to sufficiently do. Most of it is just a pity party where people want to hug and say that "You're OK, and I'm OK!" while thinking that calling out women for their BS is "toxic" and suggesting them to do more than just whining is "victim shaming."

What you have instead is often this silly idea that the only people pushing transgenderism are those dreaded "white men." Which is empirically false. There are tons of "queer" women and tons of non-white people enforcing this agenda. But as critics are unable and/or unwilling to hold queer womxn and non-white people accountable, they make up this lie that it is almost exclusively pushed by white men. But "wokeness is shit because wokeness is white" is just wokeness². (Likewise, you have all these anti-IDpol dudebros types who falsely claim that the dreaded "white woman" - the Social Justice Karen - is solely responsible for it, ignoring how many men and non-white people are enforcing it.)

Too bad that r/blackpillfeminism was banned...

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sadly, calling out women for their BS and holding them responsible for it is something no brand of feminism - neither liberal feminism nor radical feminism - is willing to sufficiently do. Most of it is just a pity party where people want to hug and say that "You're OK, and I'm OK!" while thinking that calling out women for their BS is "toxic" and suggesting them to do more than just whining is "victim shaming."

Yup. Radical feminism too is full of women apologists who believe whatever they do is okay, just because they are women. And this kind of ignorance is exactly why women are still oppressed. Without realising how we are fuelling our own misery, women are doomed to patriarchy.

[–]deftoneslettucetomcat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's interesting, I haven't seen it from radical feminists much before. I think radical feminism is a good way of pinpointing what causes female oppression and how women also uphold the patriarchy along with men. Could you give some examples?

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"mandatory sex change for TERFs"

They don't care about letting people be "who they truly are on the inside" or allowing people with legitimate issues to try and live the best life possible, they just want for as many people as possible to have their genitals lobbed off, and now they're talking about forcing unwilling participants in the first world to do exactly that

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (15 children)

Ah yes bi/het women bad, women who aren't radfems bad, me womyn strong TRAs dumbdumb nooo we can't be alike

[–]reluctant_commenter 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You know, I think the meme is supposed to be poking fun at the phenomenon of "transbians" specifically, it doesn't put down bisexual or straight women. Or am I missing something?

I agree that we ought to talk more about how trans rights activists fetishize straight and especially bisexual women, too, though-- the same creepy and insulting gender stereotypes ("women are all emotional wrecks on their periods, uwu") harm all women. And I think bisexual women are targets of fetishization to a significant extent, just like lesbians are.

edit: I missed the "bi/het" text at the bottom, sorry but it's really blurry, lol. Agreed that we ought not villainize bisexual or heterosexual women (that's female people) for the damage men are doing to lesbian communities.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It only mentions bi/het women because there are bi and het women who call themselves "lesbian" just to attract men. It's a thing.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

It's not a "thing." Radfems think it's a thing and that everyone is out to get the poor vulnerable lesbians, but it's barely a "thing". 99% of the time these "evil lying bi/het bitches" are literally just female-leaning bisexual women who label themselves lesbian because they don't want to deal with men or they feel like their opposite sex attraction is minor to nonexistant.

The same way I've seen plenty of bi guys who call themselves "gay" but I don't start fits about them "lying to get women" or "appropriating my label", because it really does not matter. There are people out there who want people like me dead or hurt, there are movements to try and give people like me less rights than others, I have better things to do than to get hung up on dumb labels.

Shockingly, sexuality can be complicated & people can use labels differently, without it being some great conspiracy. Also a straight woman calling herself "lesbian" wouldn't attract anyone but sexual predators and MTFs, and I really don't think the vast majority of straight women find those kinds of men attractive. Usually male-attracted women can't get a fucking break from male attention, so, I see no reason they'd have to "lie" other than... to say they're lesbian in the hopes men stay away, lol.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How the fuck would you know? You're not a lesbian so don't you dare lecture that it's "not a thing". I have personally known women who like making out with other women at bars to attract men, but would never touch a woman if a man wasn't watching. I have had 3 men ask me why I can't be "open minded" to date him, because he knew and dated other "lesbians" and the women told him he was their "first man" (not true; I knew those girls in highschool and they had all had boyfriends). It is abso-fucking-lutely a thing.

I know and am colleagues with a Kinsey 1 or 2 woman who made a big deal out of how she is not "sexually attracted" to women", but is "spiritually and aesthetically" attracted to them. She is married to a nonbinary man, and says she identifies as a lesbian to "reclaim the label from "exclusionists and terfs".

Have you ever considered that women and men adopt labels for different reasons? I don't really care if some Kinsey 5 woman calls herself a "lesbian" on Tinder, even though she's technically bisexual. That's not what I'm fucking talking about, Mr. Reptillian.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Sure you have. Whatever anecdote you've gotta make up to antagonize other women for petty reasons, am I right? But ah, it's something only the lesbians can see with their magic lesbian eyes. Me, as a male, will never be able to see these secret hordes of lesbian-liars with my Y chromosome eyeballs, even though I've seen copious amounts of all kinds of weird shit, including people lying.

And, uh, no. No they don't. Men and women are both equally capable of adopting labels for equally varied reasons. I don't think it's a sex thing, and I don't think you have any reasoning behind this than to antagonize straight & bisexual women. Because that's pretty much always what it's about.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These things happened, regardless of whether some arrogant man chooses to believe me.

You haven't experienced these things in person because you're not a lesbian! Imagine there was a whole industry of gay male porn aimed at straight women, and male homosexuality was fetishized in the media to the extent lesbian sexuality is, just meant to turn on the opposite sex. Now imagine if waves of men started calling themselves "gay" or "bi" just in front of women they liked, and wanted you to make out with them to woo their women? Wouldn't you feel used? Also none of those men ended up with men, and dropped the gay label when they got the woman they wanted. This is what so many straight women do to the lesbian label! Now imagine if people were incredulous when you came out as gay, because they had only known the fakers? You wouldn't be frustrated even a tad at this phenomenon?

I also have no issue with bisexual or straight women as a whole, as most of the people I work, hang out, and interact with are straight (with some bisexual). I only take issue when they call themselves "lesbian" to turn on men, or make out with women to turn on drunk men.

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not a "thing."

That is false. Not only do I see people on the internet doing this all the time, but I have known multiple people who do this in real life. For example, a girl I went to college with claimed to be "lesbian" but had sex with multiple of our male classmates. And a couple of my straight friends were just sorta like, "Ok, I guess if someone says 'lesbian' they aren't necessarily female-exclusive."

I agree with a lot of your criticisms about radfems, but this is not just some BS radfem claim, this is a common phenomenon. I had to go out of my way to correct them, and who knows if they're convinced, they've probably met more people like her.

[–]MilkTea 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Where does it say about radfems?

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Where does it say about radfems?

It doesn't, or rather only by implication, due to saying: "Fed up with homophobic bi/het libfems and their stupid gay conversion rhetoric" (radfems regard libfems as their evil twin basically).

Kinda disappointing; while I certainly have no love (to say the least) for women-- or men-- who inflict genderism upon us, including such vile concepts as "genital fetishism", it's still tiresome to see bisexuals being dragged yet again. As well as the general idea that "women who are opposite-sex-attracted = FIFTH COLUMN!!!" What, only lesbians can be feminists? So, to qualify, we've gotta do... conversion therapy, then? Or just renounce feminism altogether?

Too bad; I quite liked the rest of it... :(

[–]MilkTea 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If it didn't specify homophobic bi/het libfems, I'd agree with you. That's not to say there aren't any trans "allies" that are lesbians who blindly support the ideology and movement. Unfortunately, I've encountered many lesbophobic "woke" bi and straight women like the ones you often see in AL, both online and in real life. The ones who push "sexuality is fluid" (but never to straight men), claim to be lesbians despite being attracted to men, call us "vagina fetishists" or "____phobic" for not including everyone our dating pool. And I also live in Canada, so meeting "non-binary/queer" women who supports the harmful ideology is not uncommon, sadly. And I know there are bi and het women who are strongly against that, that's why it was such a breath of fresh air to finally find this place where homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual people could agree on how regressive and homophobic the trans ideology really is.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If it didn't specify homophobic bi/het libfems, I'd agree with you.

Oh, I noticed this qualification, too; and god knows that there are all too many women-- typically (as you point out) non-lesbian-- actively carrying water for trans/genderism (and especially men-with-ladyfeelz). Made me hesitate to write my previous comment, actually.

The reason I went ahead with it anyway is that, to some extent, there's a presupposition of this, particularly where bi women are concerned. Not just here, but in general-- that we're untrustworthy: liars, cheaters... imposters. Double agents. Partly just as a subheading of "bisexual"-- bi men get hit with all this, too-- and as a (mis)perception that all monosexuals seem prone to, but it's most pronounced in the way that lesbians see bi women. As quislings: cat's-paws for sexist, lesbian-fetishizing men. And sure, sometimes we even deserve it! Not like we're angels or anything. But by the same token, we're not devils, either... and it sometimes seems like this is lesbians' working assumption.

All of which is to say that, when bi/het women are doing homophobic/lesbophobic shit (as certainly happens), they deserve every bit of this meme's condemnation... and THEN some. I'm just concerned that lesbians might see us as inherently homophobic/lesbophobic, simply due to our sexual orientation. Especially if we're bi, since that already makes us suspect.

Parenthetically, I think that buying into this lesbians-should-date/fuck-men-or-else sickness is, for bi women, sometimes influenced by our own vulnerability-- the whole "you don't exist" thing. Meaning that bisexuals don't exist because bisexuality doesn't exist; it doesn't qualify as a sexual orientation at all, in other words. So how to explain our being attracted to both sexes, then? I know-- "sexual fluidity"! Not being "genital fetishists" or "phobic"! Cuz we're just so ENLIGHTENED! (LOL to fuckin' infinity...) Well, that means anyone can be, right? Since it's just a matter of not being all closed-minded and shit! Absurd, of course... but you can see how those of us who don't recognize our own bi-ness as a sexual orientation might fall into this error. :(

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hey PenseePansy, for what it's worth I have zero problems with bisexuals as a whole. I believe you about your sexual orientation, and don't think it makes you more likely to cheat. The only thing I don't like, as a lesbian, is when bisexual people universalize their experience to say, "I like both sexes, so everyone else does too". That type of view lacks empathy and sets up false expectations. Not to mention it has contributed massively to the cotton ceiling shit that transbians do. A lot of the transbians are bisexual men calling themselves "lesbians", and the only women we see supporting them are bisexuals, or lesbians who have no idea what they're rooting for.

[–]MilkTea 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

to some extent, there's a presupposition of this, particularly where bi women are concerned. Not just here, but in general-- that we're untrustworthy: liars, cheaters... imposters. Double agents. Partly just as a subheading of "bisexual"-- bi men get hit with all this, too-- and as something for which all monosexuals have a certain tendency, but it's most pronounced in the way that lesbians see bi women.

Oh for sure! I guess for me, it’s just common sense that every group aren’t a hive mind and don’t behave the exact same. But I understand how some people will make blanket statements and how that could be harmful. I mean, look at how people view the "LGBT community" as if we’re all the same lol.

And sure, sometimes we even deserve it! Not like we're angels or anything. But by the same token, we're not devils, either... and it sometimes seems like this is lesbians' working assumption.

If you don’t perpetuate homophobic views, then you definitely don’t deserve the hate. But yeah, things aren’t always black and white. No one is a perfect angel that could do no wrong.

I'm just concerned that lesbians might see us as inherently homophobic/lesbophobic, simply due to our sexual orientation. Especially if we're bi, since that already makes us suspect.

I completely understand your concern. It sucks when the few bad apples ruin it for everyone else.

Parenthetically, I think that buying into this lesbians-should-date/fuck-men-or-else sickness is, for bi women, sometimes influenced by our own vulnerability-- the whole "you don't exist" thing. Meaning that bisexuals don't exist because bisexuality doesn't exist; it doesn't qualify as a sexual orientation at all, in other words. So how to explain our being attracted to both sexes, then? I know-- "sexual fluidity"! Not being "genital fetishists" or "phobic"! Cuz we're just so ENLIGHTENED!

Oh man, I don’t even know where to begin. There’s just so many things that could result in this mess. But I agree with you on that one. And now that they’re trying to redefine bisexuality as "two or more genders", which is no different to "pan/omni/polysexuality", things will keep getting worse. People need to understand that dating is inherently exclusionary, and that it’s okay.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hey, I didn't see the "bi/het" part of the post originally, your comment made me go back and look for it. I agree that is bullshit. Men who intrude upon lesbian communities are responsible for the damage they do, not other women.

[–]powpowpowpow 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

10/10 comment, thank u

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

"Has been to Mitchfest over 9000 times" might be the best thing I've ever read. Man I wish I could've gone to Mitchfest before it was shut down.

[–]MyLongestJourney 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I lost it at : "she went to Mitchfest over 9000 times".