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[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

It's not a "thing." Radfems think it's a thing and that everyone is out to get the poor vulnerable lesbians, but it's barely a "thing". 99% of the time these "evil lying bi/het bitches" are literally just female-leaning bisexual women who label themselves lesbian because they don't want to deal with men or they feel like their opposite sex attraction is minor to nonexistant.

The same way I've seen plenty of bi guys who call themselves "gay" but I don't start fits about them "lying to get women" or "appropriating my label", because it really does not matter. There are people out there who want people like me dead or hurt, there are movements to try and give people like me less rights than others, I have better things to do than to get hung up on dumb labels.

Shockingly, sexuality can be complicated & people can use labels differently, without it being some great conspiracy. Also a straight woman calling herself "lesbian" wouldn't attract anyone but sexual predators and MTFs, and I really don't think the vast majority of straight women find those kinds of men attractive. Usually male-attracted women can't get a fucking break from male attention, so, I see no reason they'd have to "lie" other than... to say they're lesbian in the hopes men stay away, lol.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How the fuck would you know? You're not a lesbian so don't you dare lecture that it's "not a thing". I have personally known women who like making out with other women at bars to attract men, but would never touch a woman if a man wasn't watching. I have had 3 men ask me why I can't be "open minded" to date him, because he knew and dated other "lesbians" and the women told him he was their "first man" (not true; I knew those girls in highschool and they had all had boyfriends). It is abso-fucking-lutely a thing.

I know and am colleagues with a Kinsey 1 or 2 woman who made a big deal out of how she is not "sexually attracted" to women", but is "spiritually and aesthetically" attracted to them. She is married to a nonbinary man, and says she identifies as a lesbian to "reclaim the label from "exclusionists and terfs".

Have you ever considered that women and men adopt labels for different reasons? I don't really care if some Kinsey 5 woman calls herself a "lesbian" on Tinder, even though she's technically bisexual. That's not what I'm fucking talking about, Mr. Reptillian.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Sure you have. Whatever anecdote you've gotta make up to antagonize other women for petty reasons, am I right? But ah, it's something only the lesbians can see with their magic lesbian eyes. Me, as a male, will never be able to see these secret hordes of lesbian-liars with my Y chromosome eyeballs, even though I've seen copious amounts of all kinds of weird shit, including people lying.

And, uh, no. No they don't. Men and women are both equally capable of adopting labels for equally varied reasons. I don't think it's a sex thing, and I don't think you have any reasoning behind this than to antagonize straight & bisexual women. Because that's pretty much always what it's about.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These things happened, regardless of whether some arrogant man chooses to believe me.

You haven't experienced these things in person because you're not a lesbian! Imagine there was a whole industry of gay male porn aimed at straight women, and male homosexuality was fetishized in the media to the extent lesbian sexuality is, just meant to turn on the opposite sex. Now imagine if waves of men started calling themselves "gay" or "bi" just in front of women they liked, and wanted you to make out with them to woo their women? Wouldn't you feel used? Also none of those men ended up with men, and dropped the gay label when they got the woman they wanted. This is what so many straight women do to the lesbian label! Now imagine if people were incredulous when you came out as gay, because they had only known the fakers? You wouldn't be frustrated even a tad at this phenomenon?

I also have no issue with bisexual or straight women as a whole, as most of the people I work, hang out, and interact with are straight (with some bisexual). I only take issue when they call themselves "lesbian" to turn on men, or make out with women to turn on drunk men.

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not a "thing."

That is false. Not only do I see people on the internet doing this all the time, but I have known multiple people who do this in real life. For example, a girl I went to college with claimed to be "lesbian" but had sex with multiple of our male classmates. And a couple of my straight friends were just sorta like, "Ok, I guess if someone says 'lesbian' they aren't necessarily female-exclusive."

I agree with a lot of your criticisms about radfems, but this is not just some BS radfem claim, this is a common phenomenon. I had to go out of my way to correct them, and who knows if they're convinced, they've probably met more people like her.