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[–]Happy_face_caller 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

What the hell did I just watch? She wants roe v wade overturned ans is happy about coney barret who wants to overturn Gay marriage? She went passed peaking, she’s extreme right. Whoa

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I've found that a lot of younger people are in favor of phasing out abortion, especially since there are so many options nowadays (condoms, birth control, IUD, plan B, multiple options to have non-PIV sex, ovulation-tracking apps, ovulation strips, etc). That's the argument I get from the gen Z'ers in my family. They say we have so many choices, why not try to reduce both unplanned pregnancies and abortion numbers moving forward by phasing it out as an option of convenience? (i.e. only keep it for when the mother's life is in danger, but phase it out as a form of birth control so that people will be more likely to rely on the other kinds).

We really do have way more information and options now than we did when Roe v Wade was first implemented in the early 70s.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If only that was working, especially outside of USA ("Trump anti-abortion coalition"). If only on this were spent money. You know, teach kids first about sexual education, make birth control very accessible and advertise it, and only then think on removing abortions - not other way around.

Plus we should not forget that removing safe option of abortion will only increase illegal unsafe abortion rates - as it happened throught out a history in many countries, including USA.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Another point to bring up is that another debate surrounding abortion is how long into the pregnancy is it allowed. In some US states, a woman can have an abortion up to 24 weeks if she wants one. In Ireland and most other European countries, it’s only legal for the first 12 weeks, and after that, only if the pregnancy could kill or seriously injure the mother or the baby.

[–]Happy_face_caller 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That sounds absurd

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We really do have way more information and options now than we did when Roe v Wade was first implemented in the early 70s.

(The following is mainly addressed to these sorts of GenZ-ers, not necessarily you, Accio)

Just who is the "we" here, and in what sense does that "we" "have" any of these things?

I'm assuming that this "we" means, if not "humanity in general", at least "the western (and specifically American) public as a whole". And that "have" is shorthand for "have access to, as a result of these things (information/options) being known to exist".

So... is knowing that a given thing exists really the same as having access to it? You know that a million dollars exists, right? Does that mean you therefore have access to a million dollars? That you're a millionaire?

Closer to home, how about medical technology? If you know that a given treatment for cancer exists, but you can't afford it (and no one will waive the cost or fund it for you), do you nonetheless have access to that treatment? In what sense?

But how does this apply to contraception? It obviously isn't so expensive that only millionaires can afford it. Why doesn't its being known to exist effectively translate into access, then?

Because Roe v. Wade rests on the right to privacy. Ergo, overturning Roe means that there is no such right.

Griswold v. Connecticut also rests on the right to privacy (and originally established it; this is the precedent case for Roe). It found that government restrictions on married couples buying, and using, contraception are unconstitutional.

So if Griswold goes... governments will be free to restrict access to contraception even for married couples. Including (as with Connecticut at the time) prohibiting contraceptives altogether.

"Oh, but I'M not married, though! I don't even believe in marriage! So it wouldn't apply to ME." What makes you think that if contraception is outlawed for those having the most acceptable-- indeed, officially-approved and even REVERED!-- form of sex, an exception will somehow be carved out to accommodate YOUR fornicating ass?

"Oh, but no government would REALLY do THAT." Wanna bet? Lots of 'em are openly-- even loud-and-proudly-- anti-abortion, right? Well, for decades now, most who oppose abortion have also viewed contraception as a form of abortion. Sure, I understand that the GenZ-ers probably don't; so what? How many state legislatures and governorships do THEY control?

And this isn't even getting into the issue of reproductive coercion, where attempts to use birth control are deliberately sabotaged by people one knows (often on the "keep her barefoot and pregnant" model).

I wonder how much of this who-needs-abortion-anyway attitude among young people comes from: 1.] the trans war on human biology in general, and women's biology in particular; and 2.] GenZ hardly having any sex (so this is all just an abstraction for them).

Ironic that I, no longer in my reproductive prime, am more concerned about this than those who are (and will be for decades more). Both GenZ women under threat of forced pregnancy... and non-gay GenZ men under threat of shotgun marriages and being financially responsible for all the unwanted offspring they can't avoid conceiving.

But given where things are probably headed, I guess that they're gonna just have to be like the protagonist of "Citizen Kane": "he needs more than one lesson... and he's going to get more than one lesson."

TL;DR: if GenZ-ers (or anyone else) think that contraception means no longer needing abortion... think again.

[–]zerosis 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, I'm glad she's speaking out about gender identity politics but the anti-abortion stuff is really fucking weird to hear from a feminist.

[–]Happy_face_caller 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As a fellow Lesbian how is this at all our place to make these comments? I’ve spent my adult life supporting het women and their reproductive rights, I have no concept what this burden would be like snd I challenge anyone who thinks they can gatekeep a woman’s choice in this situation. Arielle seems likely she’s gone fanatical conservative right? I mean wtf