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[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yes, bone density increases from HRT, so ironically... we're less likely to break our bones.

Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28370342/

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Even that study that you choose to cite calls it CHT - cross-sex hormone therapy - not HRT.

As I've pointed out other times, HRT stands for hormone-replacement therapy, meaning it's meant to replace the hormones the human body makes naturally; it's not hormones therapy meant to mimic some of the hormones naturally made by persons of the opposite sex.

Traditionally the acronym "HRT" and the phrase "hormone replacement therapy" has specifically meant sex-hormone replacement therapy to treat women in/after menopause or oophorectomy. When hormones such as insulin, thyroid hormone, oxytocin/pitocin, adrenalin or hepcidin are administered or prescribed, it's not called "HRT."

Please when speaking of the hormones taken by trans people use the terms and acronyms that are appropriate: CHT or CSH or THT. Like the words women and female, HRT is taken already and has a long-established meaning very different to the one you're trying to shoehorn into it.

[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This is, again, not relevant information. Your response is basically "Oh shit, we're wrong, quick look over there, we take issue on that."

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is, again, not relevant information. Your response is basically "Oh shit, we're wrong, quick look over there, we take issue on that."

You seem to have appointed yourself arbiter of what's "relevant information." And you're the one who is deflecting and distracting here. I am simply pointing out that even in the literature you yourself cite and link to, the hormone regimens that trans people take are not called "HRT." They're called CHT, CSH or THT. Women are sick of TIMs constantly appropriating the words and terms for our sex and specific to female health and medical therapies designed & meant exclusively for female people. Invent and use your own terms. The ones you keep stealing are already taken!

I didn't address the rest of that comment coz it's just a repeat of a statement & link you posted before that I've already addressed.

[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I understood your point, and that you are requesting that I pick some acronym other than HRT, it's just a completely separate issue to the claim that "HRT does affect bone density therefore it may actually cause a broken bone." when the only effect is an increase in bone density that would prevent a broken bone.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But I never made a claim that the kind of specific kind of THT that adults like you take after you've been through puberty causes bone density issues that might result in broken bones. And I would never make such a claim, coz it's not true.

I simply pointed out that that many of today's trans population have been on a very different treatment path, one which has meant a different THT regimen administered at a different stage in life with different effects. As a result, the impact on and implications for their bone development is different to yours. Much different to yours because the most important stage in life for building bone mass, strength and mineralization is puberty, which leaves whose who are taking or have taken puberty blocking meds as part of their THT incredibly vulnerable to a host of issues such as early-onset osteoporosis, bone fractures and severe dental problems, including their teeth falling out coz their jaws grow so weak.

But rather than take any of this info on board and show an ounce of concern for members of your own community who might be in worse straits than you, you responded

I don't see how any of this information is relevant to a transgender person who transitioned post-puberty, which for the time being consists of the majority of that population.

As if the only people who matter here are adult TIMs like you who started taking CSH in adulthood!

BTW, as a matter of fact, TIMs like you do not necessarily constitute "the majority of" the trans population - not any more. Coz thousands of kids have been transed this century, and more are being seen each day in all the youth gender clinics that have proliferated in recent years, particularly in the USA - where there are now at least 300 pediatric gender clinics. You and other TIMs who've started THT in adulthood only constitute the particular part of the trans population that you want see, that you choose to see, and that you are capable of seeing. But you're not necessarily biggest cohort as you seem to think.

I and other posters here are concerned about the physical and emotional harms children and very young adults of both sexes are suffering because of the THT they are being put on at crucial stages in their development, and the misinformation they are being fed. And your response in essence is, "But I'm all right, Jack. And since I and others just like me are the only ones who count, information that isn't about us directly isn't relevant."

Reminds me of a hit song from 1988 about a man who's been "the victim of selfish kind of love" and is in the habit of turning his collar up at the kids he sees on the street "pretending not to see their needs." Fittingly, it's called The Man in The Mirror https://youtu.be/Zqe5NP86OCc

[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most transgender youth I have met have been in the UK and unable to access HRT due to the waitlist being too long that by the time they are able to start HRT they are adults. So from those experiences, it gave me the impression that transgender youth are still an uncommon thing. In addition to the abuse, I faced when I attempted to come out the first time when 14 sort of reinforces the notion that it is uncommon (if it is actually more common this just inspires a great deal of frustration with the lies I was told then).

Additionally, out of an abundance of caution, I typically refer all transgender youth who reach out to me to professional non-profits (like mermaid UK for example). The stigmatization of transgender adults typically means that it is too legally risky for me to offer any assistance to transgender youth anyway. Hence, I don't spend a lot of time understanding / supporting the transgender youth population because my only recourse is to refer them to other resources. It is far easier to resist the temptation to offer assistance when you remain willfully ignorant on their situation.

If I were in a situation where it was allowable for me to offer that support to transgender youth, then absolutely would love to learn the intricacies of their situation and offer that assistance. At the same time though, there was a link on LGBdroptheT where even I am like "What the fuck did you expect?" with regard to a particular transgender person's actions. Depending on the circumstance, I might even expect a bonafide cisgender woman to be met with hostility if they behaved in the same manner as the person playing victimhood was in that thread. So... yeah, I do want to offer more in the way of help for transgender youth, but the current legal climate makes that a solid no.