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[–]MarkTwainiac 16 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

A woman can often get whatever she wants on a golden platter, and if that doesn't work she can just cry about it and you're a monster if you don't give in. While a man can go die in a war or suffer the worst torture imaginable--with lower pain tolerance, mind you, both mentally and physically--and no one will give a shit; in fact, he will be punished if he doesn't suffer, without complaint. Women can get away with almost anything with no consequences

I suggest you look at the mass rapes and abuse of women and girls that men routinely commit in war. Look what the Japanese Imperial soldiers did to the women of Nanjing, China in WW2, and to the Korean women they forced into prostitution for the Japanese troops. Look at the mass rapes of German girls and women that Soviet troops committed at the end of WW2. For present day examples, look at the what ISIS and the Taliban have done to women in war.

Also, look into history and world events more generally.

When I was growing up in the US in the 1960s, American women had no right to legal abortion - and it was legal to fire female employees from their jobs and kick girls and women out of school for getting pregnant. Girls and women who got pregnant when they weren't married were scorned as sluts, privately and publicly shunned and sent away.

In Ireland (both the republic and NI), girls and women who got pregnant outside of marriage - or merely had the temerity to flirt with boys - were locked up and enslaved in places the workhouses known as Magadelene laundries and institutions called mother & baby homes. Those who gave birth usually had their babies taken away against their will and given to married couples for adoption. Many of the children who were not adopted out died due to malnutrition, lack of medical treatment, abuse by officials and other suspicious circumstances.

For decades, the stories of these places and the atrocities carried out in them, were largely unspoken — despite calls from the mothers who became virtual prisoners within their walls and children who spent their earliest years there, later sharing stories of neglect and abuse.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/world/europe/ireland-mother-baby-home-report.html

The Magdalene laundries remained in operation until 1984. The mother and baby homes until 1998. More than 56,000 girls and women in Ireland ranging in age from 12 to 44 were sent to these institutions for getting pregnant outside of marriage, or sometimes just for having flirted, kissed or been sexually abused by boys or men (including priests and other clergymen and their own brothers and fathers). But not a single one of the boys and men who had sex with these girls and women and fathered their children suffered any negative consequences whatsoever.

In most of the West, women only got the right to vote in national elections 100 years ago - and this right certainly was not handed to women "on a golden platter." In my own lifetime, girls and women lacked basic rights like the right to attend certain schools and study certain subjects, the right to apply for certain jobs and enter various professions, the right to get a credit card or bank loan without a male co-signer, the right to have scholastic sports, and the right to prosecute if we were beaten or raped by the men we were married to.

As for war: what many men through history have suffered physically and emotionally in warfare is horrible. But nearly all wars over the course of human history have been started and waged by men. Used to be, warfare was called delayed male infanticide - a way that older men past their prime could legally kill off young males once they reached the age when they were at their sexual and physical peak and could compete with, challenge or overthrow the older men.

With the exception of outliers like Golda Meir and Margaret Thatcher, few women have started and waged wars coz very few women have been heads of state or commanders of militaries.

Women have always done their bit in various wars in all sorts of ways both on the home front and on the front lines, including serving in combat:

https://www.history.com/news/women-wwii-military-combat-front-lines

https://www.airforcemag.com/PDF/MagazineArchive/Magazine%20Documents/2014/October%202014/1014Witches.pdf

While a man can go die in a war or suffer the worst torture imaginable--with lower pain tolerance, mind you, both mentally and physically--and no one will give a shit

I suggest you spend some time looking into what human labor and childbirth entails for women mentally and physically both as it happens and in the months and years down the line. In the poorer parts of the world today, the leading cause of death for teenage girls is pregnancy/childbirth.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

And guess who was forced to endure those wars? That's right, almost exclusively men. And that's still the case. My female friends who are exactly like me have a right not to be forced into war but I have to sign up for selective service just because I have a dick.

Rape happens when mens' overactive sex drives malfunction, coupled with how testosterone destroys half the brain including almost everything emotional or empathetic. The reason men are more desperate for sex is because that is biologically their sole purpose in life. And your rape stats are certainly wrong, because when a woman rapes a man she gets away with it, and in fact HE usually gets accused of raping her!

The oppression issue stemmed from mens' jealousy of women. Not everyone, but most people, when being jealous behave selfishly and have a desire to bring the luckier person down and see them fail. However our primal instincts were still there the whole time. We still protected women, bought them gifts, and did everything for them like disposable machines. We let them actually have problems and didn't even let men shed a tear, parents even beat little boys to a pulp if they cried about anything while comforting their girls. Women have always been able to get away with more than men, and girls have always been able to get away with more than boys. And pretty much anything is socially acceptable for a woman, but men are expected to fit an extremely narrow ideal of manhood, from infancy. There used to be a lot of standards for women too, but still not even as many as men today.

I should also note, the oppression of women isn't relevant anymore, because it's been gone for over 50 years now. Unless, of course, you believe in reparations and punishing people for what their ancestors did.

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

My female friends who are exactly like me have a right not to be forced into war but I have to sign up for selective service just because I have a dick.

In the US there is no draft any more. As someone who remembers when the draft still occurred in the US, I can attest that registering for selective service is not at all the same as actually being drafted - or subject to the draft lottery and rules of the 60s and 70s.

However, I agree that male-only selective service registration is sexist and unfair. I think it should either be eliminated or apply to both sexes.

the oppression of women isn't relevant anymore, because it's been gone for over 50 years now.

You really need to expand your knowledge of the world. What is the case in the US or UK is far from the universal norm.

We let them actually have problems and didn't even let men shed a tear, parents even beat little boys to a pulp if they cried about anything while comforting their girls.

I'm sorry if this was the case in the social milieu in which you grew up. It's certainly not the norm universally. In the family I grew up in, my father, grandad and uncles were by far the biggest criers. None of my many male friends were beaten to a pulp for crying. They weren't beaten, shamed or punished at all for crying. Same goes for my sons and all their friends.

Since it seems you are from the USA, I assume that you know that the most famous crying person in US politics is former US Congressman John Boehner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyxioZZdiTg

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

You really need to expand your knowledge of the world. What is the case in the US or UK is far from the universal norm.

Okay but how is giving women who already have female privilege even more special treatment going to change what happens in other countries?

I'm sorry if this was the case in the social milieu in which you grew up. It's certainly not the norm universally. In the family I grew up in, my father, grandad and uncles were by far the biggest criers. None of my many male friends were beaten to a pulp for crying. They weren't beaten, shamed or punished at all for crying. Same goes for my sons and all their friends.

This was back in the olden days. I thankfully didn't grow up in that environment, but I still faced the threat of more minor punishments if I cried. Or didn't level up to the high standards set on me. And it still affects me, because society scolds men for showing any weakness. We're severely underdiagnosed with depression because people treat it like we're expected to deal with it, even though it's the end of the world if a woman gets it. If I cry, I am accused of being a spoiled brat and manipulating people. If a woman cries she's coddled and validated beyond reason. Because I'm a mean ugly man, and she's a gorgeous innocent female with sparkly eyes. Even social norms are like this. Women can do pretty much whatever they want no problem. But men have to fit the stereotype of man who works 9 to 5, has a wife and 2.5 kids, and is obsessed with sports and sex, and has no emotion at all, otherwise we're casted out. And it's all because women are inherently valuable just for existing, whereas men are only as valuable as what they do for women and children and working.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This was back in the olden days.

Wow, that's some ageism, mate. The statement I made that you quoted covered male people born in the US from the 1890s through the late 1990s.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

How the fuck is that ageist? It's a known fact that most adults were physically abusive to children until recently. And that doesn't mean they were sadists, because they faced enormous pressure to keep their kids in line and this is what they were told to do, especially to boys. That doesn't imply that they are like that just because of their age.

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You said the experiences of the people in the USA of multi generations over more than 100 years I cited all occurred

back in the olden days.

That's ageism. You seem to think that only people of your own age/generation and very narrow experience and specific cultural milieu count and constitute the norm.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Are you saying we should take action to solve problems for a completely different time period? That doesn't make any sense.