Thought: A group of men can now hang out in the women's bathroom

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[–]GConly 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

What's killing me is that other women seem fine with this.

You'll realize when you talk to them, most are very young. They tend to have no experience of male sexual violence. A lot if them have watched so many superhero films where some size six is kicking a full grown mans arse, they genuinely think they have a chance of defending themselves.

Some of them are so woke they think it's more important to virtue signal and practice 'inclusivity' even though they know it will end up with a lot of women being victimised. Can't reason with those.

I think harsh lessons may have to be learned

[–]panorama 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Voters 18-35 years old were the most likely demographic to express support for the controversial “gender identity” policies which eliminate single-sex spaces and services.

https://www.womensliberationfront.org/news/wv-polling-gender-identity

The power of in-school indoctrination.

[–]BEB 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

HRC (Human Rights Campaign - former gay group now basically trans) partnered w the US's largest teachers' association/union to read "I AM JAZZ" to pre-K to 5th grade across the US annually. This year is year 6.

Indoctrination of our youngest. Absolutely.

[–]panorama 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Wow. Annually. WTF

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The US's largest teachers' union/association is the National Education Association if you want to complain to them directly.

I just tried to see if they're still doing the annual readings of "I AM JAZZ" but my browser is timing out. They did do it last year IIRC.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

FYI- Feb 25, HRC is doing:

"A Community Reading of “When Aidan Became a Brother” LGBTQ leaders and allies show their love and support for trans and non-binary youth by participating in the Jazz and Friends National Day of Readings."

https://twitter.com/HRC/status/1364319122981584902

[–]GConly 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah.

My daughter (at college) genuinely bought into the wrong sex brain crap and thought they were all the HSTS type.

The truth came as quite a shock. Most are straight guys... Normal male brains, normal male offending.. complete set of male genitalia.

"Oh".

Apparently this was not who she thought she was supporting.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This was exactly what I thought trans was when I first started hearing about it. That, and back in the day, trans=transition and there was some kind of medical oversight and gatekeeping in place, unlike now. When I finally got interested in gender identity ideology and started unpacking it, it all fell apart for me.

[–]GConly 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, a lot of us TERFs turn out to have been pretty supportive... Until we looked into the data and realised who we were supporting and the implications.

It took an argument with a TRA on Reddit in 2017 to peak me.

I was like 'but what about cis male sex offenders?' Not familiar with the trans stuff then, but I am very familiar with male pattern sex offending, and it's obvious how they'd abuse this.

He said it never happens.

I dug out multiple cases where cis men used self ID to sex offend... He literally denied that it ever happens a couple of comments down, because he was arguing with multiple people and had forgotten it was me who liked the cases.

He genuinely didn't give a shit.

I then ended up on gendercritical and the numbers there for sexual orientation and surgery etc were around. And I was like 'oh.'

Whenever I've brought this up with random people in conversation, everyone thinks they are post op HSTS, and doesn't understand what the fuss is about.

There's widespread disbelief about the offending rates too. And the fact they are less likely to be murdered than other men.

So many lies from the activists.

[–]akkordeonplayer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reality hasn’t hit them yet.

[–]our_team_is_winning 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You'll realize when you talk to them, most are very young.

I know the majority are Gen Z and under, but the two long-time close friends I lost over their obsession with Trans Rights were born in 1970 and 1981. There's a certain segment of Millennials and Gen X that cling to virtue signalling. I don't know why. To be "hip"? To stay "young"?

Then there's the politicians who are on board with this. Do people realize that Dianne Feinstein was 6 years old when the Wizard of Oz was new in theaters? Nancy Pelosi was almost 2 when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. If "young" is the excuse, what's their excuse? I'm not saying that rich people are immune from sexual violence. They're not. But it seems to be wealthier women (of any age) who support this the most. Maybe it's a combo of age and wealth, or even if the young aren't from wealthy families, they have yet to pay their own way through life.

[–]BEB 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The politicians are bought - there is a tremendous amount of money being poured into gender ideology worldwide.

And I know exactly what type of younger women you're talking about - desperate to look with-it in the eyes of their kids.

[–]adungitit 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But it seems to be wealthier women (of any age) who support this the most

I think a lot of wealthier women have had to let all kinds of misogyny pass for the sake of work and relationships and they knew they couldn't make too much of a stink about it. Believe me, they experience just as much sexual violence as any other woman, I have yet to come across an older woman of any political leaning who was absolutely shocked at the notion of women regularly experiencing sexual violence, the way that men pretend to be shocked (i.e. shocked that the reality they've been lying about and denying in face of overwhelming evidence became too obvious to ignore. Shocked, I tell you!). They know full well what is happening, they've experienced it on their own skins, they just have a lifetime of brainwashing and being told they have to put up with it for the sake of their careers and likeability. The ones you see on top are just the ones who could grit their teeth and bear it (survivorship bias and all).

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Women of my generation had to put up with open misogyny, sexism and sexual harassment even in prestige careers. I could tell stories....

That's why I get so incredibly angry with all the older female politicians supporting the US Equality Act:

Tammy Baldwin, Liz Warren, Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi et al.,- are TRAITORS & OPPORTUNISTS selling out women for their own gain.

[–]VdeVulva[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I can't even imagine Nancy Pelosi using the public bathroom at Macy's lmao

[–]BEB 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's an old saying in the US that a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged.

I am liberal on most issues, but when I talk to lib fem women who spout garbage about how,"A bathroom is just a place to pee and why are you so interested in examining other people's genitals..." I just want to say, "Wait until it happens to you." - except I vehemently don't actually want these deluded women to get hurt in any way, I just want them to wake the F up.

What I do say to them is to use one of their phrases, "Consent is not transferable" and I do not consent to men in my bathroom, locker room, any F-ing space in which I'm naked or vulnerable. I tell them that if they consent to men around them while naked, they can use men's spaces.

[–]GConly 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

conservative is a liberal who's been mugged.

Very true, except I was virtually mugged, by data.

I tell them that if they consent to men around them while naked, they can use men's spaces.

I have said something similar, while peaking my daughter. She suddenly looked a lot less sure about the whole thing. Turns out no, she wouldn't like to get changed in front of a bunch of male strangers.

[–]adungitit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You'll realize when you talk to them, most are very young. They tend to have no experience of male sexual violence.

Doesn't help that a lot of them are already suffering from a ton of anxiety and insecurities (dw it's all part of your wonderful validating cis identity, ladies!) that they barely leave the house except for high school. They're going to be desperate not to seem "misandrist" and "sexist" (for "transphobic" I think you first need to be able to call out men in general, which a lot of women have been groomed not to do) because they'll get jumped by both men and libfems anywhere from the most conservative space to the most liberal. By the time they do experience some of that "gender-validating" harassment on their own skin, they'll already be so deep in the "it's just a few bad apples"(i.e. it's your fault for making a big deal out of it) virtue signalling camp that the only way to deal with it will be to withdraw from the public life even more and live even more in fear and anxiety.

[–]BEB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that's where women like some of us come in: we're not scared to be vocal and since we are on "the Left" with sometimes impeccable Lefty credentials, we can't be called homophobes or bigots.