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[–]our_team_is_winning 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

What's killing me is that other women seem fine with this. Just because some women are comfortable having their panties down with a strange man inches away, I'm not. I don't want to try to change a tampon with a strange man in the room. Why are my sex-segregated rights being stripped for male fetish? This is the single biggest setback for women's rights in the Western world EVER actually.

Previously we didn't have rights, and we gained going forward. This strips our rights.

I know how I tense up around certain men. I've had them follow me down the street. I've had them touch my breasts while pretending they were just passing me.

This Woke Generation who demand Safe Spaces away from WORDS are trying to take away a physically safe space for half the human race.

Sadly, it's going to take MANY well-publicized cases of men in costumes entering women's spaces and raping them (which HAS happened, but the media hushes it up) -- it's going to take many innocent victims before this even comes up for debate.

Meanwhile, we have a room of middle aged Senators about to look at a man in a "woman costume" with a straight face on Thursday and they're not even going to laugh. This is insanity.

[–]GConly 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

What's killing me is that other women seem fine with this.

You'll realize when you talk to them, most are very young. They tend to have no experience of male sexual violence. A lot if them have watched so many superhero films where some size six is kicking a full grown mans arse, they genuinely think they have a chance of defending themselves.

Some of them are so woke they think it's more important to virtue signal and practice 'inclusivity' even though they know it will end up with a lot of women being victimised. Can't reason with those.

I think harsh lessons may have to be learned

[–]panorama 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Voters 18-35 years old were the most likely demographic to express support for the controversial “gender identity” policies which eliminate single-sex spaces and services.

https://www.womensliberationfront.org/news/wv-polling-gender-identity

The power of in-school indoctrination.

[–]BEB 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

HRC (Human Rights Campaign - former gay group now basically trans) partnered w the US's largest teachers' association/union to read "I AM JAZZ" to pre-K to 5th grade across the US annually. This year is year 6.

Indoctrination of our youngest. Absolutely.

[–]panorama 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Wow. Annually. WTF

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The US's largest teachers' union/association is the National Education Association if you want to complain to them directly.

I just tried to see if they're still doing the annual readings of "I AM JAZZ" but my browser is timing out. They did do it last year IIRC.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

FYI- Feb 25, HRC is doing:

"A Community Reading of “When Aidan Became a Brother” LGBTQ leaders and allies show their love and support for trans and non-binary youth by participating in the Jazz and Friends National Day of Readings."

https://twitter.com/HRC/status/1364319122981584902

[–]GConly 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah.

My daughter (at college) genuinely bought into the wrong sex brain crap and thought they were all the HSTS type.

The truth came as quite a shock. Most are straight guys... Normal male brains, normal male offending.. complete set of male genitalia.

"Oh".

Apparently this was not who she thought she was supporting.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This was exactly what I thought trans was when I first started hearing about it. That, and back in the day, trans=transition and there was some kind of medical oversight and gatekeeping in place, unlike now. When I finally got interested in gender identity ideology and started unpacking it, it all fell apart for me.

[–]GConly 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, a lot of us TERFs turn out to have been pretty supportive... Until we looked into the data and realised who we were supporting and the implications.

It took an argument with a TRA on Reddit in 2017 to peak me.

I was like 'but what about cis male sex offenders?' Not familiar with the trans stuff then, but I am very familiar with male pattern sex offending, and it's obvious how they'd abuse this.

He said it never happens.

I dug out multiple cases where cis men used self ID to sex offend... He literally denied that it ever happens a couple of comments down, because he was arguing with multiple people and had forgotten it was me who liked the cases.

He genuinely didn't give a shit.

I then ended up on gendercritical and the numbers there for sexual orientation and surgery etc were around. And I was like 'oh.'

Whenever I've brought this up with random people in conversation, everyone thinks they are post op HSTS, and doesn't understand what the fuss is about.

There's widespread disbelief about the offending rates too. And the fact they are less likely to be murdered than other men.

So many lies from the activists.

[–]akkordeonplayer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reality hasn’t hit them yet.

[–]our_team_is_winning 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You'll realize when you talk to them, most are very young.

I know the majority are Gen Z and under, but the two long-time close friends I lost over their obsession with Trans Rights were born in 1970 and 1981. There's a certain segment of Millennials and Gen X that cling to virtue signalling. I don't know why. To be "hip"? To stay "young"?

Then there's the politicians who are on board with this. Do people realize that Dianne Feinstein was 6 years old when the Wizard of Oz was new in theaters? Nancy Pelosi was almost 2 when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. If "young" is the excuse, what's their excuse? I'm not saying that rich people are immune from sexual violence. They're not. But it seems to be wealthier women (of any age) who support this the most. Maybe it's a combo of age and wealth, or even if the young aren't from wealthy families, they have yet to pay their own way through life.

[–]BEB 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The politicians are bought - there is a tremendous amount of money being poured into gender ideology worldwide.

And I know exactly what type of younger women you're talking about - desperate to look with-it in the eyes of their kids.

[–]adungitit 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But it seems to be wealthier women (of any age) who support this the most

I think a lot of wealthier women have had to let all kinds of misogyny pass for the sake of work and relationships and they knew they couldn't make too much of a stink about it. Believe me, they experience just as much sexual violence as any other woman, I have yet to come across an older woman of any political leaning who was absolutely shocked at the notion of women regularly experiencing sexual violence, the way that men pretend to be shocked (i.e. shocked that the reality they've been lying about and denying in face of overwhelming evidence became too obvious to ignore. Shocked, I tell you!). They know full well what is happening, they've experienced it on their own skins, they just have a lifetime of brainwashing and being told they have to put up with it for the sake of their careers and likeability. The ones you see on top are just the ones who could grit their teeth and bear it (survivorship bias and all).

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Women of my generation had to put up with open misogyny, sexism and sexual harassment even in prestige careers. I could tell stories....

That's why I get so incredibly angry with all the older female politicians supporting the US Equality Act:

Tammy Baldwin, Liz Warren, Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi et al.,- are TRAITORS & OPPORTUNISTS selling out women for their own gain.

[–]VdeVulva[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I can't even imagine Nancy Pelosi using the public bathroom at Macy's lmao

[–]BEB 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's an old saying in the US that a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged.

I am liberal on most issues, but when I talk to lib fem women who spout garbage about how,"A bathroom is just a place to pee and why are you so interested in examining other people's genitals..." I just want to say, "Wait until it happens to you." - except I vehemently don't actually want these deluded women to get hurt in any way, I just want them to wake the F up.

What I do say to them is to use one of their phrases, "Consent is not transferable" and I do not consent to men in my bathroom, locker room, any F-ing space in which I'm naked or vulnerable. I tell them that if they consent to men around them while naked, they can use men's spaces.

[–]GConly 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

conservative is a liberal who's been mugged.

Very true, except I was virtually mugged, by data.

I tell them that if they consent to men around them while naked, they can use men's spaces.

I have said something similar, while peaking my daughter. She suddenly looked a lot less sure about the whole thing. Turns out no, she wouldn't like to get changed in front of a bunch of male strangers.

[–]adungitit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You'll realize when you talk to them, most are very young. They tend to have no experience of male sexual violence.

Doesn't help that a lot of them are already suffering from a ton of anxiety and insecurities (dw it's all part of your wonderful validating cis identity, ladies!) that they barely leave the house except for high school. They're going to be desperate not to seem "misandrist" and "sexist" (for "transphobic" I think you first need to be able to call out men in general, which a lot of women have been groomed not to do) because they'll get jumped by both men and libfems anywhere from the most conservative space to the most liberal. By the time they do experience some of that "gender-validating" harassment on their own skin, they'll already be so deep in the "it's just a few bad apples"(i.e. it's your fault for making a big deal out of it) virtue signalling camp that the only way to deal with it will be to withdraw from the public life even more and live even more in fear and anxiety.

[–]BEB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that's where women like some of us come in: we're not scared to be vocal and since we are on "the Left" with sometimes impeccable Lefty credentials, we can't be called homophobes or bigots.

[–]Comatoast 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I know how I tense up around certain men. I've had them follow me down the street. I've had them touch my breasts while pretending they were just passing me.

I FUCKING hate this. It's so obvious too. That and when they're staring directly at my boobs, despite even wearing something that might not be low cut. Why be that obvious? Are they too stupid to know that humans are equipped with peripheral vision? Damn, they could at least make a half-assed attempt.

[–]Comatoast 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

It's not just the gaps in the stalls, it's them being able to freely install recording devices in those spaces and unknowingly having our bodies plastered all over the internet for voyeurs. This also opens up the whole can of worms with public bathroom sex that I would well appreciate my kids (or self) having to possibly witness.

I already don't feel all that comfortable dealing with the bullshit included with menstruation in public restrooms, but at least there was the background understanding that there's a misery loves company aspect in sisterhood there, and the chick 3 stalls down isn't likely to be thrilled with her own potential period situation either.

I will straight up say that if a place seems that uncomfortable, I will absolutely have my husband accompany me to the toilets instead of waiting out by the doors. If all men can be women, they won't mind the two freshly out temporary "lesbian wife" that I've brought in for protection for myself. If I end up witnessing anything happening, I can't promise that I won't attempt to beat a man's ass with a trash can myself though.

[–]BEB 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That already happened to me. Spy cam. The bodies of every woman, young to old, made into porn. Also all the children - babies, toddlers, 5-year-olds. We were all made into porn.

But if the Equality Act passes in the US, men won't need spy cams. They'll just walk into the women's locker rooms and get live porn of women AND kids. And there won't be one damn thing we can do about it.

[–]eddyelric 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sometime, I just want to cry. it's never enough for them, isn't it?

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I just responded to you in another thread asking you to please call your Senators tomorrow to say NO to the Equality Act and NO to Rachel Levine.

Please call your congressional House rep too because the Equality Act vote in the House is on Thursday.

Thanks!

[–]GConly 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will absolutely have my husband accompany me to the toilets

I can see that happening a fair bit.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Honestly, someone determined to gain access to and install recording devices is disgusting enough that they wouldn't be deterred or encouraged by this legislation. At worst, they'd use this legislation to try and protect themselves if caught, but if they're seen with recording equipment in hand, it wouldn't go far.

The data suggests that most people who identify as trans want bathroom or locker room access not in order for rape or voyeurism, but rather to use the women present for sexual thrills, simply by their presence alone. The trans community would generally refer to this as validation, but it's basically them getting sexual thrills from forcing other women to acknowledge their presence and tolerate men in their presence as "women". From the article on Autogynephilia by Sue Donym (since banned from Medium.com but reposted here): https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-elephant-in-the-room

“Others were sexually excited by the idea of being with other women in a gym or locker room and feeling as though they genuinely belonged or deserved to be there. Here are two representative examples:

“I started hormones about 6 months ago and am awaiting approval for sex reassignment surgery. The most sexually exciting thing about being a woman is fitting in as a woman and finally feeling I have a place to belong. I often fantasize being postoperative and being able to go to the gym and finally being able to shower with other women after having a nice workout. I am really turned on by the idea of going into the women’s shower and being surrounded by femaleness and of just being able to legally belong in the women’s restroom. What I’m saying is that to truly fit in as another woman in these places means a great deal sexually to me.”

After reading about autogynephilia, I think that I have come a long way in understanding myself and my motivations and desires. Most of my early masturbatory fantasies involved being transformed into a woman and living as a woman. I don’t really care about the clothes. It is about being able to see myself as a woman or at least with feminine qualities. My most enjoyable moments are imagining experiencing the more tame parts of life as a woman (e.g., playing golf, going to the women’s room or locker room, being able to shop for feminine clothes and shoes, and being seen as a woman.) The few times I have been in a women’s locker room have been overwhelming. The smell is so inspiring and alluring and the idea of being able to go there and be accepted as a woman — I certainly can understand why people go completely through the surgery”

It is important to emphasize that the narratives that mentioned wanting to be with other women in a gym or locker room never carried overtly voyeuristic overtones. What was arousing to the informants was being accepted as a woman by other women, not the opportunity to view nude or scantily clothed female bodies. In fact, one informant explained that experiencing the absence of male-typical feelings was what made the locker room scenario arousing:

I am deeply aroused by the idea of being in a locker room with other women and having no male sexual feelings.

This is all sufficiently rape-y that I don't think the scenario of literally being assaulted in a bathroom even needs to be mentioned to argue against men who identify as women being allowed access to women's toilets. Being used as an unwilling tool in someone else's sexual fantasies by being forced to tolerate their presence in your personal space is sufficiently abhorrent that women should be allowed to maintain sex segregated spaces.

The pushback against TRAs demanding access to bathrooms has never been about the idea that all trans people using bathrooms would be literal rapists, that's just a strawman the TRA community wants to be able to burn down without responding to the real concerns about autogynephiles using their access to women's spaces to get off on making women validate their presence.

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If the Equality Act passes in the US, ANY man will be able to self-identify as a woman and access every sex-segregated public accommodation. Locker rooms, hospital rooms, prison cells, nursing home rooms...

The Equality Act is headed to the US Senate, so Americans, get on the phone with your Senators now.

[–]panorama 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

ANY man will be able to self-identify as a woman and access every sex-segregated public accommodation

Anytime, and for any length of time, just upon their word.

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Pure insanity. And the Dems will pay at the polls, because Americans don't put up with that kind of shit.

[–]whateverneverpine 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Is Susan Collins going to derail this though?

[–]BEB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Susan Collins withdrew her Equality Act sponsorship. I hope that means that the Senate Republicans are going to fight it, but I have no idea.

[–]GConly 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Women will eventually never set foot in a public bathroom again, unless it's a single stall bathroom.

One older Russian woman on Reddit discussed what it was like when the Russian gov decided all loos should be unisex... Because they are all workers ya know...

Women would not use the mixed sex loos because of sexual harassment, and reported assaults in them. They'd travel home at lunchtime to pee, or go anywhere nearby like a restaurant where they'd be safe. Those loos became men only, functionally.

Eventually the gov backed down and sex segregated them.

[–]Hypothetical_Concept 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The obvious solution is to make all Men’s Rooms “Open Gender” bathrooms, and keep the Women’s Room a single-sex safe space. All the women who insist they’re happy to share with TIMs should be more than willing to ensure that the Open Gender restroom is validating for them by using that room exclusively.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some of the countries that have implemented this have done the opposite and made women's restrooms gender neutral while leaving the men's intact. This has happened a lot in the UK.

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even if the governments try to gaslight us and record these violations as being committed by women, the word will get around. I honestly don't think that American women, especially conservative American women, will put up with men in women's spaces.

If Lefty feminists, like many of us, make loud noises too, then that will give the Silent Majority the cover to reject men in women's spaces too.

[–]ShieldMaiden 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is the re-introduction of the urinary and menstrual leash that was around western female necks at the turn of the last century. Male supremacists back then were opposed to installing public washrooms for females because it would encourage them to spend too much time outside of the house. Of course there are still many women and girls facing this issue in other countries around the world. India comes to mind, for example. Just as women there are beginning to take off the urinary and menstrual leash, western women are having men place it right back around our necks and are tugging on it like it's a choke chain when we resist.

Here is an example of Welsh school girls unable to menstruate and attend school at the same time without being bullied by male pupils, causing them to miss school and damage their education because they had the misfortune of being born female under male supremacy: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/pupils-missing-school-because-dont-15839558

[–]akkordeonplayer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Nothing will stop them, and the law will allow them to rape/attack us.

[–]BEB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

In the US, a not tiny % of women carry guns. Let's hope the threat of having their heads blown off keeps the penised in line.

[–]jonesforme2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have had a bad experience with a had gun but, if this passes I will get pas that and get me a gun.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are going to be so many women buying guns if the Equality Act passes, and lots of tragic accidents/murders/suicides probably too.

I grew up surrounded by guns; people learned how to shoot as soon as they could hold and aim straight. It wasn't considered aggressive to own a gun because everyone owned a gun. It was like owning a wallet or something.

I know that some of the British rad fems freak out about gun ownership, but to me it's an equalizer for women, and yes, if I were threatened, I would shoot and shoot to kill.

And I am not a violent person, quite the opposite, but I'm sure glad I'm a crack shot and have a lethal weapon that I can carry in my purse.

[–]panorama 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Much better to draw gun late (not as a threat, but when you've become certain to shoot), and aim low, at the belly or crotch - femeral artery may be hit, then fire three more rounds moving up the body, finishing at the head. Strategy wise. You'll have rounds remaining if needed. Get training.

See, real life ain't a movie or TV show. A gun is NOT a threat!! A gun is a weapon. If you are not certain you could kill another living being, stick to other methods of defense, cause that gun would be used on YOU!!

[–]BEB 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Guns are very frightening, but I have training. I was raised around guns.

I never want to use a gun on another human being, but if men are allowed to come into spaces where I or other women are naked or otherwise vulnerable, I'm going to be glad I have a gun, just in case.

[–]panorama 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I saw your other comment. I'm glad you are responsible with firearms. My comment was for the masses of women who're only familiar with them from entertainment venues. It's foolish to assume they'd be able to only wound,and not kill, an attacker. They need to decide whether they can kill, BEFORE they get a gun - for everyone's safety, lest the attacker obtains that gun to coerce his next victim.

IMO, only women should have guns (like that would ever happen, but still...). I'm not anti firearms- don't presume Beb.

[–]BEB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I completely agree with you.