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[–]lefterfield 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not irrational and it's not paranoia. Trust your instincts on this. We know when someone seems 'unsafe', even if we can't put it into words. The very act of a man claiming to actually be a woman is a violation of boundaries. it's a biological, natural boundary, and if someone can't respect that... why should we believe he'll respect the word 'no'? The only "TIMs" I would feel safe around(as safe as I feel around any man I don't know) are those that know that they're men, and are fine with being called men.

Also-

a fucking rapist can get off on forcing women to call him a woman and allow him in their spaces, and being told nothing can be done because "he says he's a woman, so therefore it's true and obviously means his rapist and violent thinking goes away."

This has actually happened already. Not irrational at all. Trust yourself, we know how to keep ourselves safe. It takes brainwashing to ignore the fear instinct.

[–]purrfect 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not paranoid and definitely not irrational. We're talking about men, who indulge their fetishes to the point of gender dysphoria (AGPs). We're talking about men, who have irrational beliefs and who want to force those beliefs onto society and onto law. We know men can't be trusted in women's spaces, because some of them will take advantage. Men know that and most of them respect our right to our spaces. TW also know that, but they relish our fear and disgust. Controlling us and making us uncomfortable is part of their "euphoria". We know that and they know we know.

[–]MarkTwainiac 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don' think it's irrational or paranoid at all. I don't have time now to explain why, but I will try to later. In the meantime, if you haven't read Gavin deBecker's The Gift of Fear yet, I recommend it. I think you'll find a lot in there to help you respect and trust what you are feeling.

[–]censorshipment 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

I feel like this because it just makes sense. I've never been assaulted... never even had to physically fight to protect myself... yet I don't feel safe around men in general. Men larping as women seem more dangerous because they're like the big bad wolf pretending to be granny in Little Red Riding Hood.

https://www.slideshare.net/tasizuriack1/crossdressers-at-walmart ...even if these men don't claim to be trans women, they need to stop dressing this way. It's disgusting.

[–]our_team_is_winning 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I made it to number 11 and wondered why I looked!

Totally the big bad wolf posing as granny -- I wouldn't doubt there is an updated trans version of Little Red Riding Hood out there now, probably in the ages 5-7 section of the book store.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, there is. It's called "Brenda Is A Sheep." It's about a wolf who dons a wool sweater (jumper in UK parlance) to invade a flock of sheep for the purpose of hoodwinking, killing and eating them. The sheep decide Brenda not only is a sheep, but that Brenda is the best, most convincing, most sheeplike and most admirable sheep of all, and they all "want to be just like Brenda." In the end, the sheep decide that Brenda's real problem isn't that Brenda is a bloodthirsty carnivore, it's that Brenda has been treated unkindly.

"Brenda Is A Sheep" has been given out free to all first grade primary students in Scotland at the direction of the SNP-controlled government. https://youtu.be/R4x9rNOCJmQ

https://youtu.be/lWGZT46TN9E

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Men larping as women seem more dangerous because they're like the big bad wolf pretending to be granny in Little Red Riding Hood.

https://www.slideshare.net/tasizuriack1/crossdressers-at-walmart ...even if these men don't claim to be trans women, they need to stop dressing this way. It's disgusting.

I think they should be able to dress however they want. (And same for everyone else too). Crossdressers are not always transexuals or any forms of transgendered. As long as they arent impeaching on anyone else's rights or personal spaces, they should be allowed to dress in whatever attire they want to, that doesn't hamper anyone else's freedom.

And sometimes the gallery will give you a fleeting laugh ;P.

[–]censorshipment 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Men shouldn't mock women, and that's exactly what they're doing. Should be illegal / a hate crime for men to mock women.

[–]DiscoStegosaurus 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You’re not alone in this at all. I have two of these guys that I work with, and I feel the same way around them. Part of my issue is knowing that, based on their actions, they see women as an “other.” If they saw us as equal humans, the facade wouldn’t be necessary. This is incredibly frustrating to me as I’m one of only a few women in the office of my male dominated occupation. Seeing the other men going along with their game of make believe further concerns me that possibly a lot of the other men who I work with are also more misogynistic than I thought. If they think that Bob’s disgusting caricature of womanhood makes him a woman, than what do they actually think about women? Further, I’ve come to realize that even the TIMs who have been declared to be “the good ones” are still furthering a harmful agenda by choosing to play the game, rather than accept biological fact and, hence, are similarly at fault for this ongoing decaying of women’s rights.

On a separate note, I’m so happy that I found this community again. I just was permabanned from Reddit for a third wrongthink offense (1. Called an incel an incel on r/conservative - three day ban, 2. Referred to drag as “womanface” - week long ban, 3. Stated that biological sex was a scientific reality and couldn’t be changed) and decided to check this place out more.

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is incredibly frustrating to me as I’m one of only a few women in the office of my male dominated occupation. Seeing the other men going along with their game of make believe further concerns me that possibly a lot of the other men who I work with are also more misogynistic than I thought. If they think that Bob’s disgusting caricature of womanhood makes him a woman, than what do they actually think about women? Further, I’ve come to realize that even the TIMs who have been declared to be “the good ones” are still furthering a harmful agenda by choosing to play the game, rather than accept biological fact and, hence, are similarly at fault for this ongoing decaying of women’s rights.

I think that the majority of your coworkers are possibly just trying to get through work, unless they have started hitting on the twomen and trying to fornicate with them, maybe they don't want HR firing them for misgendering a pretend woman? 🙃🙃🙃

On a separate note, I’m so happy that I found this community again. I just was permabanned from Reddit for a third wrongthink offense (1. Called an incel an incel on r/conservative - three day ban, 2. Referred to drag as “womanface” - week long ban, 3. Stated that biological sex was a scientific reality and couldn’t be changed) and decided to check this place out more.

Reddit should be renamed WomenHated. Anyone who speaks up for womens rights gets silenced faster than a drumpf supporter. This sub is WAY better thn reddit. Unlike that decrepit hellhole, no one gets censored for talking about real science ;).

Welcome to the new GC!!

[–]889250 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would say you're absolutely not being irrational. While I have not experienced sexual trauma and have no reason to fear or feel distrustful of men on sight, I definitely have a problem with a man who thinks he can get into single sex spaces just by saying he's a woman.

I've definitely started feeling even more strongly about this since seeing people correcting people for misgendering rapists. "Yes this person did a horrible thing but we shouldn't misgender". Uhm if this was a man who identifies as a man, they wouldn't care a bit and would even be calling for his death but since it's a delusional man who thinks he's a woman suddenly they need to be treated with respect? Nah, a rapist is a rapist. Even if it's disrespectful to misgender (I don't think it is), why, WHY would you feel it's appropriate to correct it on a post or article about rape? He's not the victim here, he's the perpetrator.

I really hope their willingness to defend and force people to respect the delusions of rapists will only serve to peak more people.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

AGP correlates strongly with personality disorders.

I mean it quite clearly is a form of personality disorder that they can have one created persona take them over as though they are possessed.

There is also possibly a slight correlation with psychopathy. Psychopaths are more likely to have older fathers. Trans identified men tend to be youngest sons so because of that will be more likely to have older fathers. It's not that one causes the other is just the birth order demographic TIMs are in has higher rates of psychopathy. TiFs are the opposite, they are more likely to be the eldest child.

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are these the opposing ends of autism?

[–]our_team_is_winning 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In agreement with all the comments and the OP for sure. These men hate women. Like you said, straight men and gay men have their own attitudes toward us and we know where we stand. But AGP is serial killer level (imagine how fast that would get me banned on reddit or twitter!) -- not saying they're all serial killers, but they're mentally unstable with that jealousy that would drive them to kill what they want and can't have.

"Phobia" is an irrational fear, right? But what they call "transphobia" is not irrational -- we know something is wrong and puts us in danger. [In fact I'd argue a fear of heights, enclosed spaces, dogs, water, spiders, etc. -- all valid because those things COULD kill you!]

And gaslighting is mental abuse. Men love to tell women "oh you're crazy" -- now they want to say that when we look at a hulking man in a dress and correctly identify a man? "Oh you're crazy. That's a woman."

No. We are correct in seeing the AGP as a danger.

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

am I just paranoid

Op, you are just being TOTALLY paranoid that a male who cut his pee-pee off so he can pretend to be a woman and have sex with the blokes will have any kind of mental condition that might make him follow through on dangerous or ill-advised behavior. 🙃🌍

[–]linda_senora 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd rather deal with one who has cut his pee-pee off than one who still has it.

I would still be extremely cautious when dealing with both, mind.

[–]devushka 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think you're paranoid. For me, it feels like they are trying to force a certain level of intimacy that I can only feel with my fellow females. At least a man, even an effeminate man, isn't trying to force me to have a certain bond with him.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's pretty obvious they know they are transgressing, and when it's completely unabashed like that it's a clear sign they will stop at nothing to do whatever they want. Respect your fear—it comes from the right place.

Just read the PINS bullet points from The Gift of Fear and see if any of those signs ring true.

[–]linda_senora 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are not paranoid.

I feel the exact same way. I remember when I first got my period, my mom took me to a male OBGYN. I didn't think anything of it at the time. Now I think it is a bit weird. However, I would preferer a male physician who knows he is a male and is not trying to be something he is not over a male who pretends to be a woman.