Elliot Page and Emma Portner Announce Plans to Divorce After 3 Years of Marriage: We 'Remain Close Friends'

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[–]VioletRemi 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But prior to dating women, she dated men for many years: Emile Hirsch, Mark Rendall, Frankie Muniz, Ben Foster, Sam Riley, Alexander Skarsgård

Where did you got this? It always were only rumors that she is dating men from movies she was staring in (especially if they had romantic scenes in movies), because she was always hugging everyone and spending time with them after filming - with both men and women, but speculations were mostly only about men (as she was lonely and never seen dating men, so everyone was shipping her). One of them, I forgot, even wrote in Twitter "I knew she was a lesbian, and she is showing great example for other people by coming out" after she came out as lesbian. With Rendall she is long time friend since childhood, and I think he is the only one from them she tried to actually date. Only kisses spotted I know were all with females, but maybe I have missed something. I was married to a man for almost two years in tries to "become straight or bisexual", so that is not really showing much too. In general it does not matter much, but we know that she is either lesbian or maybe bisexual, while about Emma we only know that she "is fluid" (and I hope she is at least bisexual and not straight, as I dated and even slept with one "political lesbian" and one "fluid" - both of whom were heterosexual, but one was "manhater" and other "woke", it was horrible experience, and considering Ellen fighting lesbophobia and being sad about it - such woman could completely break her). And there is huge problem with straight or bisexual male-leaning women calling themselves lesbians because of woke ideology or to "hook up and get orgasms, as sex with men is bad" between dating men, or sometimes to make their men fantasize about such - and in last years this problem is raising (especially with things like "bisexual couple M+F is searching lesbian for a wife for threesome" in dating apps).

Lets not forget that in Hollywood when you are coming out as lesbian (or gay man), you will instantly lose a lot of roles. So that could be important there too.

In general, your points are decent and I can somewhat agree, but I was around 23-25, when tried to "maybe becoming a man will end homophobia and harassment" (I was fired from a job for being lesbian, I had issues with getting a job because I had "men's speciality" in engineering and software engineering and my resume were declined until I started signing them with male name, was beaten down and almost correctively raped, - I hated being woman and being lesbian), it was long before this trans craziness started (and I am grateful it was, because otherwise I'd most likely ruined my body). And if I married TRA and "fluid", I would most likely only got worse and worse for sure. Supportive woman pulled me out of misery and made me happy person I am now (plus homophobia went much more down and on jobs lesbians are even prefered as "most likely no maternity leave"). Age isn't adding much wisdom to some people like myself :D

...that was kinda random exchange.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

VioletRemi, I am sorry for all the pain you've been through. I wish all the best, I really do.

I am frustrated by the hue and cry over El Page and her being characterized as the total victim of her totally evil partner coz I think Emma P is being demonized in a weirdly sexist way. I'd prefer to see no woman is demonized.

Young lesbians demonizing a woman for not being sufficiently lesbian is not in my view - or the view of many of my lesbian friends of older generations - a good look or a good sign. What ever happened to giving people and especially other women the benefit of the doubt - and to giving young people, again especially women, the chance to come into their own? After all, Emma Porter today is younger than El Page was when Page came out. So why the double standard? It seems to me the rich and famous Hollywood star is being judged by one set of criteria, and the not rich or famous partner is being held to a different - and much higher - set of criteria.

I also don't think it's really a step forward for some young lesbians to rush to judgment and blame all the mental health problems and internalized misogyny displayed by their fave Hollywood celebrity lesbian on the celeb lesbian's female partner/spouse.

As Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn pointed out a half century ago, there are no human beings who are all good or all evil: the capacity for good and evil runs through the heart of every human being.

I am also frustrated over the El Page Pure Victim/ Emma Porter Pure Villain black and white binary and the idea that as a lesbian in the 21st century El Page faced insurmountable odds coz as an older woman, I see enormous differences between the animus and discrimination that lesbians and gay men faced in the 1950s, 60s, 70s and 80s and what is going on today.

So much of the homophobia, lesbophobia, sexism and rigid sex stereotyping that is causing younger generations so many problems seems to be coming from younger people themselves/yourselves - not from us older folks. In other words, it seems often to be peer-to-peer prejudice. Not just prejudice that us awful, bigoted oldsters are imposing on younger people.

But it's best I leave this convo. The perspective I try to add seems only to be interpreted in a negative light.

Again, I am sorry for all the hurt and difficulty you've experienced in your life coz of your sexual orientation. Even though I didn't suffer lesbophobia earlier in my life, I've been through a lot of pain, hardship, sexist treatment, sex discrimination and sexual harassment over the course of my too. I've also been raped, and sexually assaulted in a number of other ways. I know full well, as most women regardless of our sexual orientation do, what it's like to be a teen girl/young woman full of hatred and loathing for our female bodies. And now that I'm an older woman, I'm getting to experience a whole new set of problems - ranging from new forms of body discomfort/loathing from within my own psyche to animus from and discrimination by others.