What is in it for women?

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[–]CastleHoward 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

What is in it for us? Screaming into the void? I wish I could go back.

[–]fuckupaddams[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Ignorance sure is bliss. Would you really want to go back though? Did something make you peak and now you're super angry like the rest of us?

[–]CastleHoward 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Someone called me a TERF at work because I questioned counting Transwomen as women in our data that we submit to the government. Now it's a total shitshow and everyone is arguing and you are goddamn right I'm angry.

[–]fuckupaddams[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

That's so fucked up! The data is getting screwed, crime stats are getting screwed, women in the workplace stats are getting screwed because of this nonsense. I totally feel your anger. Who called you a TERF? Is there anyone at all on your side?

[–]CastleHoward 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Some 25 year old woman. She's about 10 levels down from me in seniority. She completely lost her shit when I was quickly going through our diversity stats at the beginning of a meeting. She was so upset it was insane. It was like watching a nervous breakdown but everyone was comforting her and telling me that I shouldn't be closed minded. I have no public supporters. I quit my job and took another job. But I have another month of this before I leave. I worked day and night for women and they have gone crazy.

[–]BEB 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That younger, mostly heterosexual, women are some of most extreme trans activists, right behind TIMs themselves, has been my experience too.

TWAW has become a religion and, in the US, it's being taught in schools from before kids are in kindergarten.

A woman of the age you describe might have been indoctrinated as early as high school so, to her, TWAW is a mantra.

[–]PenseePansy 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

That younger, mostly heterosexual, women are some of most extreme trans activists, right behind TIMs themselves, has been my experience too.

I've heard this countless times, and always wondered why TRA-ism is such a straight-woman specialty.

Could it be due to the fact that they don't feel threatened by TIMs? Since "transwomen" specifically target lesbians for sexual harassment? So straight women don't have to confront the reality that these are just the same old rapey males they otherwise decry? (HashtagMeToo! Unless the rapist has LadyfeelzTM , of course.)

Wonder how long they'd still be TWAW-ing if some intimidating dude-in-a-dress was demanding that they submit to his "girldick"?

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In the US, university courses under a major usually called "Women's Studies" became "Gender Studies" at some point long after I left university, and now has morphed into who knows what gender ideology nonsense and seems to be mandatory at many schools.

Heterosexual male students seem to kind of take gender ideology with a shrug, although some become adherents, but the young women seem to swallow it whole. And now Human Resources at many US corporations seem to be full of these "woke" young women, as well as politicians' offices. Looking at you, Kamala Harris.

For all their "TWAW" vehemence, these young women seem really naive, so I kind of give them a pass. It's older women (like Harris, and especially Warren) whose "Transwomen are women" I side-eye.

[–]Comatoast 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

How does someone that emotionally unhinged hold a professional position like that?

Shit. My grandparents lied when they told me that pitching a fit wouldn't get me my way.

[–]meranii 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Damn, I'm so sorry this has happened to you. I wish there had been more solidarity from other women for you, they probably were afraid to publicly support you because then HR would be coming for them next. All this did was to signal to TRAs at your company that it's possible to bully women out of senior positions (and soon those spots will be filled by transwomen).

[–]emptiedriver 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That is it exactly. Women naturally have a greater tendency to fear, so when put in a position of either stepping up to back up the one under fire or just watching and waiting, a higher portion of women are going to quietly observe. And then that means no one steps up, and that makes everyone even more scared because they read from the fact that no one else agreed in public that No One Agrees.

So while in a group of men, one man at least might make the more foolhardy/brave move of speaking out before knowing the consequences, opening the streams a bit to a least the idea that there are two teams, that you are "picking a side" not just screaming into the void, a group of women might be more likely to wait to find out what people think, inadvertently affecting what people think by not speaking out in the first place. And then once it becomes established what you can say that will get you back-up, and what is unsupported, saying the right thing is a form of gaining security. Being "political" in college is being part of a certain crowd, and it means agreeing to a set of beliefs. You can't be political at that age and then not toe the line, that's not an activist, it gets a whole different label: so (young) women gain validation, comfort, belonging.

To be honest, when I was in college I remember working at NOW and reading some anti-abortion literature that had been sent to our offices and for the first time really listening to their arguments and realizing I had never really given them a chance. I had always been part of the liberal team, and always been pro-choice because duh, and I knew the arguments but I had not really understood them. I could recite them, but I did not fully get the ins and outs, because I didn't care - what I cared about was getting together and going to rallies and making smart-ass signs and winning our elections and telling those dumb anti-choice losers how wrong they were! But it wasn't really an honest thought process. It was social, egotistical, cultural, reactionary, a whole lot of stuff that doesn't belong in a real discussion about a real concern. That summer I did a lot of reading and thinking, and I ended up pro-choice but at a more "safe legal & rare" level, but what really changed was that I had respect for people who disagreed - more respect for anyone who took seriously the considerations, whatever their conclusions, than for those who were just cheerleaders for a party, whichever party it was.

But, so many of these arguments are set up like sporting events rather than nuanced conversations. Once people pick a side they do everything they can to avoid losing and paying attention to the reality of things becomes irrelevant. It's just about proving a point, or anyway getting someone to back down. And all that matters when you're young is being on the team with the cool kids...

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Getting their positions ingrained in liberal political parties platforms worldwide, under the shield of LGB and before anyone had thought the trans lobby position out, was the trans activist lobby's strategy, and it's worked.

When I bring up the TWAW issue with liberal friends, I'm at first met with shock, because I'm pretty with the liberal platform on other issues, so friends are like "How could you be transphobic?"

They have no idea what GC feminists are pushing back against, and have never bothered to think critically about transgender activist demands because the Democrats have already buried it deep in their platform and these friends of mine are Democrats so will just nod along to whatever the Democrats say is "right."

Eventually though, the sheer madness of transgender activist demands are going to turn almost everyone against the trans lobby. That's why they have made sure that Biden and the Senate will pass the Equality Act as soon they win.

Once the public knows what's up, they will reject it, so the trans lobby wants to make sure the public doesn't know what's up until it's too late.

[–]fuckupaddams[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Again, title of my post. What on earth exactly is in it for her to lose her shit on you, another woman, on their behalf? I truly don't fucking understand. I'm with you, we're with you. I'm sorry it's such a mad world. I'm younger than that woman is but I can tell you the kids are going crazy. No respect for reality or history, no respect for women, no respect for the experts or the elders. I'm sorry.

[–]CastleHoward 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The craziest thing is that we only have one possible transwoman and he hasn't come out. He still uses his original name and he just started wearing women's clothes and makeup two years ago and nobody blinked. He sits at a computer and edits videos for 8 hours and goes home. I'm in the UK so nobody makes a fuss. She said there were ones that I didn't know about. So apparently I was supposed to count imaginary transpeople. I rushed home and got on the internet. A few days later the gendercritical subreddit was banned. Everyone is afraid. It's like I have the plague. There is something very rotten happening and I was completely oblivious. I told them all to fuck off and quit. It's for the best but I'm afraid now too.

[–]our_team_is_winning 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Again, title of my post. What on earth exactly is in it for her to lose her shit on you, another woman, on their behalf?

All I can think is they honestly can't grasp the threat. It's not that they gain anything. They just don't see clearly. I guess naive is the kindest word I could use. I have a younger coworker friend who is fine with the idea of making all campus bathrooms unisex. I said "I do NOT want to change a tampon in a stall next to a man. NO!" And she just shrugged and said well she grew up with two brothers, so it wasn't a big deal to her. Women who are really comfortable living with men and sharing toilets with them don't seem to care. Maybe they honestly don't get that some (I think most?) women do NOT want to do personal things in front of men? I had one friend go crazy sending me documentaries about boys who "knew" they were girls at an early age, mental torment, suicidal, etc. and why couldn't I understand that some boys are actually girls. Um.... because they're not? Those documentaries got to her before any article on TiM violence against women I guess. Same friend vehemently defends Bill Clinton against his long line of sexual assault charges. Total denial that men can be monsters I guess.

[–]chrysthefeminist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And she just shrugged and said well she grew up with two brothers, so it wasn't a big deal to her. Women who are really comfortable living with men and sharing toilets with them don't seem to care.

That's pretty dumb. Doesn't she realize public unisex bathrooms are NOT like the bathrooms at home, which are usually single occupancy anyway? And that she won't just be sharing these bathrooms with her brothers but with the entire male general public of strangers, with all its' rapists, voyeurs, sex killers, etc etc etc?

[–]meranii 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Women who are really comfortable living with men and sharing toilets with them don't seem to care. Maybe they honestly don't get that some (I think most?) women do NOT want to do personal things in front of men?

I think the most glaring discrepancy is that boys are not taught to "just deal with it and don't say anything" the way girls are. My most vulnerable stage of being shamed for my biological realities was during puberty and after I got my first period, and I was embarrassed to be heard changing my pad even by other girls. Having to do it next to young boys, in the same bathroom, who will loudly call you out and make fun of you (because no one teaches them better) would've been hell. Why is it always on girls and women to be inclusive and accepting, but boys and men are the same monsters they always were?

[–]our_team_is_winning 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

everyone was comforting her and telling me that I shouldn't be closed minded

Closed minded !!!!!!!!!!!!! If you don't believe outright LIES, you are closed minded. You know that generation would benefit from watching a Twilight Zone marathon, although I'm not sure they would understand the twist endings.

[–]our_team_is_winning 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I questioned counting Transwomen as women in our data that we submit to the government.

What the actual fuck. How long until we see stats like "Up to 5% of women will be diagnosed with prostate cancer this year"?

[–]Immortallogic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would've stood up for you.