What is in it for women?

submitted by fuckupaddams from self.GenderCritical

What is in it for women to be handmaidens? What is in it for women to erase lesbians? What is in it for women to scream and shout in unison about "killing terfs?" What is in it for women to be completely okay with people who aren't female in female spaces? What is in it for women to shout at you for being a transphobe even when there aren't trans people around? What is in it for women who are "feminists" to hate actual feminists to the core? What is in it for women to allow men to be lesbians? What is in it for women to sell out a fellow woman and instead embrace someone with a penis in the name of feminism? What is in it for women to do this even when no one is asking them to, even when they aren't around? What is in it for women to ruin relationships with best friends when they express feminist opinions even in private, with no one watching? What is in it for women to cancel each other for not wanting a man to be woman of the year?

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[–]TarshishJupiter 38 insightful - 3 fun38 insightful - 2 fun39 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Having a ready-made group of friends, fear of being ostracized, feeling like they're morally pure and helpful. The doctrine becomes internalized. Just like you'll see hardcore religious women shaming other women for not being submissive to their husbands, a worldview can become entrenched in your mind even when it doesn't help you.

[–]BEB 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The women who are so vehement about TWAW have been indoctrinated, so to them, "transphobia" is as verboten as racism.

In the US, trans activist propaganda started taking over universities, I'm guessing by at least the mid-2000s - anyone know for sure? So, it seems (to me) that there's been years of years of Queer Theory-ish indoctrination of university-educated students, who are now out in the workforce. Filling HR departments, it seems.

Also in the US, trans activists orgs, specifically Gender Spectrum and HRC, have for the last few years been going into grade schools and pre- kindergartens.

For instance, Human Rights Campaign (HRC) with the US's largest teachers' organization/union the National Education Association, sponsor a yearly, nationwide reading of "I AM JAZZ" to kids pre- kindergarten to 5th grade (VERY young!)and Gender Spectrum was boasting on its Twitter about how it's targeting Latino children.

"I AM JAZZ" is a book written by that poor boy whose mother started him on puberty blockers so young that he has a micro-penis, which he got made into a fake vagina recently, with many complications. I think he was 17 when that happened. And his whole life was broadcast on a TV show.

So for years now our young have been indoctrinated into TWAW by their very schools, while the few adults who were aware of how far it has gone, were told they were "transphobic" for questioning anything.

The transgender lobby had a master plan, and they've implemented it while most of us were fast asleep.

[–]VioletRemi 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If only "privileged cis women" had such privilege and power as trans-organizations have. If only lesbians had at least 1% of transwomen coverage.

They are pushing changes so fast and getting so much money, that they can be one of the most privileged and safe demographics out there.

[–]our_team_is_winning 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes! THIS! It's pushed in the schools, and generally females like good grades (a good thing usually). If you want to please the teacher and get your A, you parrot back whatever they spew. Sadly, this is the garbage being shoveled at kids. Once you're old enough to have a job, then FEAR is the motivator. Do you want to keep that job? Once you're forced through enough workshops on discrimination that include TiM as a protected category (I thought the idea was not being prejudiced against immutable characteristics? Race, ethnicity, physical disability, age -- we can't control those. Cross dressing CAN be controlled!), you are afraid to say the emperor has no clothes.

[–]BEB 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When I speak with people about this issue I always bring up that all TIMs have to do to stop their "oppression" is to change their appearance. And then I point out that changing our appearance doesn't stop black men or women from being oppressed.

Instead of changing laws globally that protect women and gay men, and encouraging 3-year-olds to transition, the transgender lobby could spend that money on working on acceptance for cross-dressing men by other men.

But there's no money in that - transitioning children is on its way to being a multi-billion dollar industry. Plus the extra bonus of being able to keep women down again is just too tempting for the Mens Rights Movement that is transgender activism.

[–]Poppy29252 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

They don't see it that way, obviously. They believe trans women are women, so of course they belong in womens' spaces, movements, thoughts, etc. They see us the same way people see homophobes or racists. I don't think the majority believe there's some kind of payout for themselves other than their belief that they are morally correct.

[–]lefterfield 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I can't believe that they do see trans women as women. I believe they think that's the moral belief they need to have, but on a base, instinctual level, I believe all humans know the differences between the sexes. It takes massive, constant brainwashing to force someone to say otherwise.

[–]meranii 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I can't believe that they do see trans women as women.

Sometimes those who have doubts and shame (i.e. women deep down thinking "hhmm, but after all this he still looks male" and feeling immediately guilty for it) are the most ardent defenders of an ideology. Because by lashing out against the "enemy", they prove to themselves and others that their thoughts are pure.

[–]lefterfield 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Completely agree.

[–]Poppy29252 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm sure when pressed about it they'll say they aren't biologically female but we all know they believe "woman" is a social construct and dependent on how you identify and therefore trans women are women. So to them, yes, they are "real" women.

[–]RiverSong 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I've had an online-friend (for over a decade) tell me that I've been gaslighted into believing that trans women are not women when she messaged me to cancel our friendship. She also told me that she has trans and gender-fluid friends. So she obviously expects brownie points for "fighting" for them.

I laughed, to be honest. These women are pathetic and I don't even want to be friends with someone like that!

[–]our_team_is_winning 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The astounding number of friendships ending over this obsession with defending TiM is unreal. I've lost two female friends as a result, and NEITHER even knows a TiM. There is seriously something wrong with a woman's mind if she believes men can be women. She can't possibly BELIEVE it. It is a case of self-righteousness, virtue signaling, jumping on the Woke Cult Bandwagon, etc. and it's heartbreaking to see people do that. Self-delusion is contagious.

[–]BEB 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of women still think TIMs are all harmless gay men with their dicks cut off so need protection like a wounded dove.

When the transgender lobby in the US visits congressional offices, the adult TIMS are all dressed and made up like "real" women, but mostly the trans lobby drags young "trans" children around and the congressional staffers are so very touched at these poor kids who can't pee where they want.

The trans lobby is nothing if not manipulative.

[–]sisterinsomnia 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

My own theory about some of this (in addition to the need to be kind and inclusive) is that the successes of the second wave of feminism make sexism and misogyny less obvious to young women who are in college, say, because colleges were fixed in the 70s and 80s. There is sexual violence and online sexism but not yet any gendered division of labor at home or labor market discrimination or differential work load when it comes to children and sick relatives and so on, and the lack of women higher up in the hierarchies is not visible at that age point. So many young women think the problems have been sorted and that now the problem is to incorporate trans women.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree that young women in the US think that rights-type feminism is no longer needed, and have no idea of the struggles of women before them and how their own lives would not be possible without other, braver women making huge sacrifices.

But, as someone who was there, I can tell you that US universities were full of overt sexism in the 1970s. So was the workplace.

I would say, though, that I almost preferred the open sexism than this new sexism of having women think that they have rights while destroying what rights women have. For instance, via the Men's Rights Movement that is trans demands activism.

[–]meranii 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly, that was me in my teens and early 20s. I honestly thought sexism had been "solved" and there was little to rebel against. Now that I've seen more of the world I know better, but young women in the young millenial/zoomer generation think it's only trans people that are victimized, that "cis" women are somehow on an equal level with men. In reality, men are as sexist as ever and hurt and rape and kill women the same as before, there's barely any women in CEO positions or in high political offices, our reproductive rights are being curtailed, we're expected to accept men as "real women" in our spaces... in other words, since the '70s, women's rights have been either at a standstill or steadily eroded, but pop/choice feminism is more "trendy" and makes it seem like things are fine.

[–]luckystar 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Starting a family definitely made a HUGE difference for me in how I felt about feminism and women's issues. That's when it becomes really obvious that biological sex does matter.

[–]chrysthefeminist 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The answer is nothing. Nothing is in it for women. It can only be understood as a type of lobotomy women have undergone by the programming of women's minds via all the outlets of male propaganda in the society. Their media, their schools, their religions, their professions, psychology, psychiatry, philosophy, everything. Our minds are literally programmed in this society by the ruling class of men the same way they program computers. That's all it is.

[–]our_team_is_winning 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Our minds are literally programmed in this society by the ruling class of men the same way they program computers

That might be a good analogy for the pornification of liberal feminism too. All the woke sex positive stuff -- women have been programmed. There is certainly nothing positive in it for women to do "gonzo" porn or work in brothels. Why are so many women their own enemies? Lobotomized. Not that long ago men were literally lobotomizing women, and they went along with it!

[–]eddyelric 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And to think there are emerging technologies like brain-machines interfaces, where corporations and governments can come even closer into the human mind...

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's a GC feminist, Jennifer Bilek, who has been investigating if the whole push for transgenderism is to ultimately lead to trans-humanism. She makes a good case.

Bilek has also done a lot of excellent work uncovering the money behind Trans, Inc.

Bilek's investigative work on the trans lobby can be found at The11thHourBlog.com

Her twitter is also very informative @bjportraits

[–]moody_ape 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

virtue signaling

[–]lefterfield 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fear, self-preservation, the belief of moral superiority. Women are humans, and some of them are also quite terrible ones.

[–]CastleHoward 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

What is in it for us? Screaming into the void? I wish I could go back.

[–]fuckupaddams[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Ignorance sure is bliss. Would you really want to go back though? Did something make you peak and now you're super angry like the rest of us?

[–]CastleHoward 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Someone called me a TERF at work because I questioned counting Transwomen as women in our data that we submit to the government. Now it's a total shitshow and everyone is arguing and you are goddamn right I'm angry.

[–]fuckupaddams[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

That's so fucked up! The data is getting screwed, crime stats are getting screwed, women in the workplace stats are getting screwed because of this nonsense. I totally feel your anger. Who called you a TERF? Is there anyone at all on your side?

[–]CastleHoward 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Some 25 year old woman. She's about 10 levels down from me in seniority. She completely lost her shit when I was quickly going through our diversity stats at the beginning of a meeting. She was so upset it was insane. It was like watching a nervous breakdown but everyone was comforting her and telling me that I shouldn't be closed minded. I have no public supporters. I quit my job and took another job. But I have another month of this before I leave. I worked day and night for women and they have gone crazy.

[–]BEB 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That younger, mostly heterosexual, women are some of most extreme trans activists, right behind TIMs themselves, has been my experience too.

TWAW has become a religion and, in the US, it's being taught in schools from before kids are in kindergarten.

A woman of the age you describe might have been indoctrinated as early as high school so, to her, TWAW is a mantra.

[–]PenseePansy 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

That younger, mostly heterosexual, women are some of most extreme trans activists, right behind TIMs themselves, has been my experience too.

I've heard this countless times, and always wondered why TRA-ism is such a straight-woman specialty.

Could it be due to the fact that they don't feel threatened by TIMs? Since "transwomen" specifically target lesbians for sexual harassment? So straight women don't have to confront the reality that these are just the same old rapey males they otherwise decry? (HashtagMeToo! Unless the rapist has LadyfeelzTM , of course.)

Wonder how long they'd still be TWAW-ing if some intimidating dude-in-a-dress was demanding that they submit to his "girldick"?

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In the US, university courses under a major usually called "Women's Studies" became "Gender Studies" at some point long after I left university, and now has morphed into who knows what gender ideology nonsense and seems to be mandatory at many schools.

Heterosexual male students seem to kind of take gender ideology with a shrug, although some become adherents, but the young women seem to swallow it whole. And now Human Resources at many US corporations seem to be full of these "woke" young women, as well as politicians' offices. Looking at you, Kamala Harris.

For all their "TWAW" vehemence, these young women seem really naive, so I kind of give them a pass. It's older women (like Harris, and especially Warren) whose "Transwomen are women" I side-eye.

[–]Comatoast 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

How does someone that emotionally unhinged hold a professional position like that?

Shit. My grandparents lied when they told me that pitching a fit wouldn't get me my way.

[–]meranii 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Damn, I'm so sorry this has happened to you. I wish there had been more solidarity from other women for you, they probably were afraid to publicly support you because then HR would be coming for them next. All this did was to signal to TRAs at your company that it's possible to bully women out of senior positions (and soon those spots will be filled by transwomen).

[–]emptiedriver 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That is it exactly. Women naturally have a greater tendency to fear, so when put in a position of either stepping up to back up the one under fire or just watching and waiting, a higher portion of women are going to quietly observe. And then that means no one steps up, and that makes everyone even more scared because they read from the fact that no one else agreed in public that No One Agrees.

So while in a group of men, one man at least might make the more foolhardy/brave move of speaking out before knowing the consequences, opening the streams a bit to a least the idea that there are two teams, that you are "picking a side" not just screaming into the void, a group of women might be more likely to wait to find out what people think, inadvertently affecting what people think by not speaking out in the first place. And then once it becomes established what you can say that will get you back-up, and what is unsupported, saying the right thing is a form of gaining security. Being "political" in college is being part of a certain crowd, and it means agreeing to a set of beliefs. You can't be political at that age and then not toe the line, that's not an activist, it gets a whole different label: so (young) women gain validation, comfort, belonging.

To be honest, when I was in college I remember working at NOW and reading some anti-abortion literature that had been sent to our offices and for the first time really listening to their arguments and realizing I had never really given them a chance. I had always been part of the liberal team, and always been pro-choice because duh, and I knew the arguments but I had not really understood them. I could recite them, but I did not fully get the ins and outs, because I didn't care - what I cared about was getting together and going to rallies and making smart-ass signs and winning our elections and telling those dumb anti-choice losers how wrong they were! But it wasn't really an honest thought process. It was social, egotistical, cultural, reactionary, a whole lot of stuff that doesn't belong in a real discussion about a real concern. That summer I did a lot of reading and thinking, and I ended up pro-choice but at a more "safe legal & rare" level, but what really changed was that I had respect for people who disagreed - more respect for anyone who took seriously the considerations, whatever their conclusions, than for those who were just cheerleaders for a party, whichever party it was.

But, so many of these arguments are set up like sporting events rather than nuanced conversations. Once people pick a side they do everything they can to avoid losing and paying attention to the reality of things becomes irrelevant. It's just about proving a point, or anyway getting someone to back down. And all that matters when you're young is being on the team with the cool kids...

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Getting their positions ingrained in liberal political parties platforms worldwide, under the shield of LGB and before anyone had thought the trans lobby position out, was the trans activist lobby's strategy, and it's worked.

When I bring up the TWAW issue with liberal friends, I'm at first met with shock, because I'm pretty with the liberal platform on other issues, so friends are like "How could you be transphobic?"

They have no idea what GC feminists are pushing back against, and have never bothered to think critically about transgender activist demands because the Democrats have already buried it deep in their platform and these friends of mine are Democrats so will just nod along to whatever the Democrats say is "right."

Eventually though, the sheer madness of transgender activist demands are going to turn almost everyone against the trans lobby. That's why they have made sure that Biden and the Senate will pass the Equality Act as soon they win.

Once the public knows what's up, they will reject it, so the trans lobby wants to make sure the public doesn't know what's up until it's too late.

[–]fuckupaddams[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Again, title of my post. What on earth exactly is in it for her to lose her shit on you, another woman, on their behalf? I truly don't fucking understand. I'm with you, we're with you. I'm sorry it's such a mad world. I'm younger than that woman is but I can tell you the kids are going crazy. No respect for reality or history, no respect for women, no respect for the experts or the elders. I'm sorry.

[–]CastleHoward 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The craziest thing is that we only have one possible transwoman and he hasn't come out. He still uses his original name and he just started wearing women's clothes and makeup two years ago and nobody blinked. He sits at a computer and edits videos for 8 hours and goes home. I'm in the UK so nobody makes a fuss. She said there were ones that I didn't know about. So apparently I was supposed to count imaginary transpeople. I rushed home and got on the internet. A few days later the gendercritical subreddit was banned. Everyone is afraid. It's like I have the plague. There is something very rotten happening and I was completely oblivious. I told them all to fuck off and quit. It's for the best but I'm afraid now too.

[–]our_team_is_winning 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Again, title of my post. What on earth exactly is in it for her to lose her shit on you, another woman, on their behalf?

All I can think is they honestly can't grasp the threat. It's not that they gain anything. They just don't see clearly. I guess naive is the kindest word I could use. I have a younger coworker friend who is fine with the idea of making all campus bathrooms unisex. I said "I do NOT want to change a tampon in a stall next to a man. NO!" And she just shrugged and said well she grew up with two brothers, so it wasn't a big deal to her. Women who are really comfortable living with men and sharing toilets with them don't seem to care. Maybe they honestly don't get that some (I think most?) women do NOT want to do personal things in front of men? I had one friend go crazy sending me documentaries about boys who "knew" they were girls at an early age, mental torment, suicidal, etc. and why couldn't I understand that some boys are actually girls. Um.... because they're not? Those documentaries got to her before any article on TiM violence against women I guess. Same friend vehemently defends Bill Clinton against his long line of sexual assault charges. Total denial that men can be monsters I guess.

[–]chrysthefeminist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And she just shrugged and said well she grew up with two brothers, so it wasn't a big deal to her. Women who are really comfortable living with men and sharing toilets with them don't seem to care.

That's pretty dumb. Doesn't she realize public unisex bathrooms are NOT like the bathrooms at home, which are usually single occupancy anyway? And that she won't just be sharing these bathrooms with her brothers but with the entire male general public of strangers, with all its' rapists, voyeurs, sex killers, etc etc etc?

[–]meranii 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Women who are really comfortable living with men and sharing toilets with them don't seem to care. Maybe they honestly don't get that some (I think most?) women do NOT want to do personal things in front of men?

I think the most glaring discrepancy is that boys are not taught to "just deal with it and don't say anything" the way girls are. My most vulnerable stage of being shamed for my biological realities was during puberty and after I got my first period, and I was embarrassed to be heard changing my pad even by other girls. Having to do it next to young boys, in the same bathroom, who will loudly call you out and make fun of you (because no one teaches them better) would've been hell. Why is it always on girls and women to be inclusive and accepting, but boys and men are the same monsters they always were?

[–]our_team_is_winning 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

everyone was comforting her and telling me that I shouldn't be closed minded

Closed minded !!!!!!!!!!!!! If you don't believe outright LIES, you are closed minded. You know that generation would benefit from watching a Twilight Zone marathon, although I'm not sure they would understand the twist endings.

[–]our_team_is_winning 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I questioned counting Transwomen as women in our data that we submit to the government.

What the actual fuck. How long until we see stats like "Up to 5% of women will be diagnosed with prostate cancer this year"?

[–]Immortallogic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would've stood up for you.

[–]windrunner 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Many have been brainwashed into thinking they're "doing the right thing" or that "they're in the right side of history" or even "fighting for human rights". I've seen many of them justify all of that with these 3. And, of course, a lack of critical thinking. Also, many have been coerced to walk on eggshells and to apologize the second they express some critical thoughts or anything that goes against the TWAW mantra. They are told and taught that slightly questioning something (and words) are literal violence and that this and that group are previleged and the T are the most opressed ones. They're made to believe in opression olympics and in order to not offend "muh feelings" comply with everything they're being told without even checking things to make sure if they're true. They're told that "it doesn't cost anything to use someone's pronouns right?" "let them (trans women) use our bathrooms, it doesn't cost anything right?" "let people identify as what they want, it's not hurting anyone right?" "I, as a woman, don't feel threatened by trans women wanting our spaces, it's just inclusiveness, right?" And so on. They don't see that there's something wrong with any of this. Many don't even want to see. They believe that they are the right ones, that they are the morally correct ones here.

[–]our_team_is_winning 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're told that "it doesn't cost anything to use someone's pronouns right?" "let them (trans women) use our bathrooms, it doesn't cost anything right?" "let people identify as what they want, it's not hurting anyone right?" "I, as a woman, don't feel threatened by trans women wanting our spaces, it's just inclusiveness, right?" And so on.

It is like humoring a child who is playing dinosaur/Superman/vampire/Harry Potter for the day. Only this is a grown ass man. And he's doing it as a sexual fetish. And unlike the little kid playing Superman (who might jump off the roof....) this man could RAPE YOU. Why are these women so eager to humor grown men's sexual fantasies? I guess it all comes down to women indulging men's sexual desires. "Oh, he wants to choke me during sex? Sure! Oh, he likes anal? Sure! Oh, he wants to watch porn every night? Fine with me. Whatever makes him happy."

[–]chrysthefeminist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, they're just spouting their programmed beliefs and performing their programmed behaviors like robots.

[–]RedditHatesLesbians 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lie told once is a lie. A lie told 1000 times becomes the truth. Simply, they've been brainwashed by continuous repetition and blindly believing the authority figures who say TWAW, because they're authority figures, they must be telling the truth!

[–]throwitaway 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All we are in every single movement is a handmaiden for men. They all do this to us. What's going on in the orgs pertaining to gay rights is a big disgrace. Then again, after reading what gay men wrote about in the past, they did seem to have different ideas to liberation and now they just want to kick us to the curb. Selfish, ungrateful, narcissistic traitors! Never again! We should have just stayed out back in the time when NAMBLA was allowed. You know how men are. They just want to quiet us down, strip away our rights and give their bros everything. They suck for this betrayal. They deserve nothing from us anymore ever again.

[–]Britishbulldog 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

MALE APPROVAL (mostly- definitely for the full-on TRA Women). And also, some shut up and toe the line because they have jobs/careers on the line. They can’t AFFORD to speak out. I don’t blame those who cannot afford the potential fallout- you’ve gotta put your (and your family’s) security first.

Reading other replies- deffo indoctrination. You don’t THINK, you just repeat. Argument is wrong.

[–]PopeyesChicken 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of women prioritize what other people think about them over everything. So they care about looking the MOST woke, the MOST tolerant, the MOST right

[–]LeyMio 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Libfems are harming women's rights in order to look favourable in men's eyes. Seeing misogynists destroying other women's lives makes them feel "empowered" among women.

[–]CleverNickName 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe they think, if transwomen are women, and you clearly can't criticize transwomen, let alone say No to them, then once there are enough transwomen among women, the men in charge will finally grant "all women" rights and respect and ... money?

Of course, only then will they find out that it'll go men > transwomen > lowly insignificant bio-woman.

[–]fuckingsealions 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have a friend who's pretty nihilistic about men, sort of blackpill in attitude. She thinks that the restroom issue is a non starter because it's "public space" and no one should see it as a "safe space" because nothing is stopping men from entering now. I did tell her that I'm relieved to go into a restroom sometimes as a break from the larger public space and men.

I asked her if she would care if a guy was in the stall next to her masturbating and she is completely of the opinion that she can't stop anyone from doing anything. I've been trying to see her side of it, but it feels very depressing. She is against medical and surgical transition of children, through.

[–]Immortallogic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unfortunately most women are way more male identified than female identified, have been indoctrinated from birth to be docileb and malleable, and consume media that is usually made by males and puts brotherhood on a pedestal while shitting on sisterhood and Making it seem that women are all catty, superficial and should be against one another.

If it's not totally that, its also that women are way more empathic, understanding and welcoming to groups (women are more likely to volunteer, to give charity, etc) and so they think that by being 'inclusive' to preying men who pretend to be women etc, they are doing the right thing.

Many don't have a backbone and/or they're too afraid to step outside what they're told by the mainstream because they have been brainwashed and also don't think critically (women? Women don't need to think! They just need to obey and make sure their hair, nails, and make-up is impeccable!!).

[–]MonstrousRegiment 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What's in it for women to be pornified? What's in it for them to shame other women for not being sexy enough? What's in it for us to be cool girls? What is in it for us to give our trust to men blindly? What is in it for us to say "but what about the men" when rape victims, "domestic" violence victims, victims of female genital mutilation, etc. etc. etc. are the subject? What is in it for women to shame rape victims and claim that a 13-year-old girl "knew what she was doing" and therefore wasn't really raped? What is in it for a Jewish survivor of the Holocaust to claim it wasn't so bad to be raped by her Soviet "liberators"? What was in it for me to think I wasn't "like the other girls" and could "take it" when I was sexually harassed on the job? What? What? What?

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have never figured this out, but my young experience was that no woman I knew would admit to wanting to be pornified, and I think for most that was genuine.

But this was during the US 2nd Wave when many women called themselves feminists and were proud, or at least, non-fussed, to be "gender non-conforming" as a way of life.

[–]OrneryStruggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

sucking up to men has always made life easier for women, the physically weaker and more vulnerable, oppressed sex. And then they have to resolve their cognitive dissonance about it by genuinely convincing themselves they have those beliefs.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What’s horrific is that so many women can’t see to see what the end results will be for all of this.