A Rant: I feel I can't trust any political entity, media platform

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[–]Comatoast 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Media has been strange for a while, and this weird thing where we keep blaming another country for interference is telling of something more sinister festering under the surface.

Ever since Obama signed in that executive order on the bathrooms my hackles went right up. I didn't trust Clinton from the getgo, I mean who stays with such a disgusting piece of shit like Bill and could possibly be a well-functioning do-gooder. She was fake as shit, and so have been the grand majority of female leaders on the left. On the right, the majority of Republican women that are put in the forefront (Palin, Bachman, etc) are embarrassing and like a caricature of sheltered housewives-turned politicians. I hate to sound hopeless, but it feels like all of this is sort of staged to some degree, and we're just going to go through the motions to find out what the plans are for whatever pieces of shit have the most money to guide politicians with.

[–]chrysthefeminist 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I didn't trust Clinton from the getgo

She was trying to be a good trans ally during her campaign, but never really understood it. After she lost she hesitantly expressed confusion and doubt about the "womanhood" of "trans women", causing Chelsea to become angry with her. I don't think Hillary likes it any more than we do, she just realized that it was politically radioactive.

who stays with such a disgusting piece of shit like Bill

Millions of women. That's why women never get anywhere.

[–]Comatoast 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

We also don't get anywhere when we trust other women that only seek power, then are ready to throw other women under the bus to get it. I won't argue about it, you like her and I'll respect that.

[–]chrysthefeminist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I don't think Hillary Clinton was "only" seeking power. I think she was ambitious and wanted to serve too. There is a conversation currently going on on MSNBC about sexist bias in the treatment of women candidates in which they are criticized and undermined for being "ambitious" and "seeking power", while male candidates with the same traits are called "rising stars." Your comment reeks of that sexist bias, exactly. The same thing is being done to the current vice presidential candidates being considered by Joe Biden. If it's a woman, there's always something wrong with her.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Well, I didn't want to argue with you about it on the basis that you like her. Now you're resorting to personal attacks and more or less calling me a sexist because I don't like her. Project all you want with " If it's a woman, there's always something wrong with her." If I chose to feel a political candidate is nefarious and decide against trusting them, I'm also an adult fucking woman and that's my decision.

[–]chrysthefeminist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't see any "personal attack" in what I said. I noted that you were saying the same thing about Hillary as was generally used as a (sexist) criticism against female candidates, but not male - that they are power seeking. Maybe I shouldn't have said "reeking" of sexist bias, but I still see your comment as very similar, maybe identical to, the usual takedowns of women. It's funny that you're so hot under the collar over it, like I'm trying to take away your right to make "your decisions" and hate Hillary if you want to. I couldn't care less. But you sure didn't convince me that your criticism of Hillary was any less sexist than I originally thought it might be.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So calling someone a sexist in a woman-centric space isn't meant to be a personal attack? Yes, absolutely hilarious that I'm so hot under the collar about it, condescending air quotes and all.

The discussion was about feeling unable to trust politicians and media. I stated what I felt, firstly naming a male political figure that I didn't trust, then later a female political figure that I also don't trust. I'm not going to make an addendum that men are also power-seeking, because yeah.. no shit. To be honest, if you cared so little about it you wouldn't have replied yesterday, deleted it, then replied again today--but here we are. You're targeting me specifically out of this entire thread because I don't trust someone that you clearly do and I stated why. If you're not convinced that I'm not a sexist because of it, that sounds like a you problem.

[–]chrysthefeminist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I am not going to apologize for pointing out what looked like sexism to me, especially in a woman centric space. Hillary is the brunt of a huge amount of misogynist hatred in this country which I think she doesn't deserve, she is a fellow woman and I wanted to defend her. I am sorry you are so upset at what you see as a personal attack on you by me, but it really wasn't intended that way. Saying that I thought a specific comment of yours seemed sexist is not the same as calling you a sexist. As I said, I guess I shouldn't have said "reeked of sexism", that was a poor choice of words, and I am sorry for that. Anyway, I just don't care enough about you as an individual to "personally attack" and/or "specifically target" you, so why don't we just end this here?

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My whole barfblog was about it not being sexist because I don't feel the way I do on the basis of her sex . All of us have dealt with sexism, and it fucking sucks to feel belittled over something that we can't even control. I get absolutely ass blasted about having things that I say be misconstrued, which has usually been tied right along with sexism itself and used against me for leverage.

If your apology is sincere, then I'll accept it.

[–]chrysthefeminist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am sorry only over my choice of words, but I STILL don't know that you do or don't feel the way you do on the basis of sex. Women can also be sexist, consciously OR unconsciously. Attacking a woman on the basis of her being power seeking is sexist. You attacked me first, basically telling me I wasn't getting women anywhere by trusting Hillary, but you didn't even notice your own fucking attack because it was on me, not you. However, I doubt that you consider me to be worth any apology from you. So fucking leave me alone, you make me sick.

I get absolutely ass blasted about having things that I say be misconstrued, which has usually been tied right along with sexism itself

Oh, so I'm not the only one who's perceived it.

[–]yousaythosethings 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I generally agree with you but I want to make clear that Russia absolutely did interfere with our elections and has every incentive to do so. I have followed Eastern European geopolitics for a long time, long before the last few years. This is Putin’s M.O. He’s methodical but not clean and stealthy because he doesn’t need to be. He has no accountability and total control over the government, wealth, and the press.

That being said, yes Democrats are using that and Donald Trump’s captured Republican Party as Bogeyman to see themselves as the moral crusaders because Trump and Republicans are so hellbent on being cartoon villains at this point. So the Democrats and especially liberals and progressives right now don’t feel like they need to be introspective and have adopted this bastardized version of intersectionality as a religion. At the very least my values tend to align with those who are left wing but they are being kept in the dark about the nature of what’s being fed to them as basic human rights. People feel like they can’t have conversations and dialogues anymore. Being right is more important than getting it right and I do believe that if we were to get rid of Donald Trump we would have more room for diversity of thought on the left because people could stop seeing him as the one and only enemy who feeds their self-righteousness.

[–]PassionateIntensity 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You get nowhere in politics unless you're fake. BTW, Hillary is a TERF. However, she'll do whatever she has to--like back the Iraq War to keep her Senate seat or stay with her powerful cheating husband. If she were in power, I don't know if she'd have stood up to this or just caved because that's where all the money and power is. Campaign financing is the root problem of so many American political issues.

[–]Comatoast 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://ballotpedia.org/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2016/Transgender_restroom_access

Super TERFy.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it feels like all of this is sort of staged to some degree, and we're just going to go through the motions to find out what the plans are for whatever pieces of shit have the most money to guide politicians with.

Exactly. It feels like no matter what they do, it's grift.