Do you think the treatment of natal women and passing trans men are the same, even though the trans men are being perceived as male?

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[–]Jalaces 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I didn't knownthat about wages. That does seem to prove that women (or people perceived as women) get paid less. Although I guess it could also be that TiMs are paid less in general, since a lot of places don't want a TiM representing them especially if he's obvious looking, so they have to settle for worse jobs.

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Except TIMs can always go in and get the job as a male ( which I know many do esp. in tech) and not have to worry about the wage gap. Women don’t have that luxury even if we cut our hair and present masculine because we would still be seen as women. TIFs on testosterone would probably gain from their recent male privilege because even if their ids said female most people believe that they have lost their ability to bear children, so they become more desirable as an employee.

[–]Lyssa 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, a TIM/ trans woman with at least breast implants can no longer just "get a job as a male". Historically, transexuals transitioning to a female appearance had in quite a number of cases resort to prostitution not as a kinky choice but because they've been booted out and accepted nowhere else. That now some IT managers cash in six figure saleries and come in as "Stacy" whenever they feel like it and kick out everybody who can't keep track which pronouns to use on which day of the week does not invalidate the very real job discrimination other trans people and next to all past transexuals faced.

But yes, a lot of TiF / trans men report increased wages / promotions / being taken more seriously after passing as male. Hell, even women with certain masculine features experience that. Remember the fake barritone of Elisabeth Holmes? She knew exactly why she was making that huge effort (probably harder than actually finishing your Stanford degree).