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[–]Realwoman 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

White refers to so many different ethnicities in so many different countries you can't generalize. Are Ukrainian women privileged?

[–]odateya 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Now come on, don't do that. Black women have globally been spat on for hundreds of years, please list all of these countries where black women's voices are actually valued. If I, a black woman go to Ukraine will I suddenly be swimming in privilege greater than a white woman's? If not there, then please tell me where this magical country is located. White woman are globally regarded as the most "respectable" voices among women and you know that.

[–]Anna_Nym 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you're illustrating the OP's point, though. Sexism disadvantages us all, which is what feminism is supposed to focus on. It's also frustrating to see these conversations get reduced down to black and white, as though those are the only two options in the world (if we're going to play Oppression Olympics, why don't we talk much more about Native American/First Nations women for example? Why don't we acknowledge Asian women's economic success in the US?). I also don't think it makes sense to speak of black and white like these are homogeneous categories when there are many differences within them.

Our goal should be to understand the ways in which our various identities make our experiences of sexism specific. But to do that, we need to actually listen to each other rather than project beliefs onto each other. My personal experiences with feminist spaces is that "intersectional" spaces instead do encourage Oppression Olympics. (The actual concept of "intersectionality" does not do this, but the term has come to be used very differently than what Crenshaw originally wrote about.)

[–]Realwoman 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you American? If so, you live in the richest country on earth. You would never need to go live in the Ukraine because why would you live in an impoverished country with a war next door? You have an American privilege. The vast majority of Ukrainian women will never reach your affluence level and will never get a chance to live in an affluent country. Even poor Americans have a better quality of life than many middle class people around the world. Your American privilege outweighs any racial privilege by a lot.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

WRT black or African women? Yes. WRT Western Europeans, less so.

[–]Realwoman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What is WRT?

What about Albanian women compared with Korean women? Or Russian women compared with African American women?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

With respect to.

Albanians in America would be in a better position than Korean women in America. A Russian white woman will be in a better position to an African American woman. The last one is a no brainer.

[–]Realwoman 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why is everything about them in America? The vast majority of people cannot emigrate to another country. Compare them in their native countries.

And why do you think that Muslims such as Albanians will be better off in America than East Asians?

You can't ignore privilege based on the affluence of the country you live in. People in affluent countries have an enormous privilege and it's rarely acknowledged.

[–]MenAreFragileBabies 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm really only talking about Anglophone, or maaaaybe Anglophone + Western European women. But mainly just American whites. Ukraine would probably feel more foreign to me than South Africa, TBH.

[–]medium_tomato[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh then maybe stop using the word white? We are not a fucking monolith. Just like guess what, black women in the US have a buttload more privilege than women in Africa but no one wants to talk about that now do they?

[–]MenAreFragileBabies 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean you're the one who doesn't want to talk about intersectionality anymore? I'm sorry if it's confusing to some, but most of us on here are from the US. I don't really feel the need to clarify further when we are all mostly from the US here and speaking English.

[–]Realwoman 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What about women that are white but they're immigrants to the west from poor countries? They stand out, they have accents, they have little in common with white people in the the host country, they didn't grown up using that white privilege, they grew up with parents making $200 a month. Are they privileged?

[–]voi_che_sapete 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You can absolutely generalize in Western countries.

[–]Realwoman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Western countries are very diverse