Bear with me a second -- I feel like I ended up here because the LGBTQA+ Community became toxic

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[–]No_ 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

I’m lesbian, I’m afraid to say within my own community that I don’t have enough information about children who were raised by same sex couples to agree that same sex couples should be allowed to adopt.

If the information comes back as “the kids are fine” then whoop I’ll agree. If not then I’ll disagree.

Yet I’d probably be punched if I actually said this in wokeistan.

I honestly hate the community, for what it’s become. I desperately wish I was straight, I desperately want nothing to do with a community that is so blind to pedophilia. Or even actively promotes it because it makes “special” people happy.

[–]MezozoicGay 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

“the kids are fine”

I know people here are not very liking Blaire White, however, this video is all about those super-woke fathers (and rarely mothers) ruining their kids life by every day reminding them about gender and by indoctrinating them since birth. Especially stuff like "my girl likes to be active, so she is non-binary or transmen" (like wth, only boys can be active?): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPeGmjvgXI4

same sex couples should be allowed to adopt

If children would just be growing up, without any agenda, they should be fine in most cases. In two gay couples and one lesbian couple who adopted or IVF kids, that I am friends with for years, kids grown up as a normal children, none of them are homosexual or transgender, only much more accepting to LGBT people around, and that is it. They were growing up their kids with love, without any agenda, any speaking about sexuality. Gay couple who had a girl actually were taking a lot of advices from women, and were taking female nun, so she explains to her about periods and other women-only things. So I suppose it all depends on amount of effort that same-sex parents want to take on themselves. In most cases, thought, they would most likely do not care or if they are woke - fill kids with gender or sexuality ideas and ruin their lives. So I'd say in most cases same-sex couples should not be able to adopt unless they prove themselves that they can take care about children. I am gay men myself, for reference.

Main problem here is not in inability to grown up sane and healthy child, but in a fact that there no literature, no researches, no help and nowhere to look about what to do for same sex parents. Especially if kid is of opposite sex than couple.

[–]lairacunda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why should same-sex couples be held to higher standards than heterosexuals in order to adopt?

[–]lairacunda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why should same-sex couples be held to higher standards than heterosexuals in order to adopt?

[–]MezozoicGay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Mostly because there no researches about this, people do not know how to act and how to be good parents, and in cases when sex of kid is opposite of couple sex, it can cause many problems. I witnessed few such situations (with gay couple and girl, and twice with single father and girl), in one case it has very big impact on a kid, as when she had her first menstruation, she thought she is dying and was shocked so much, that had problems with speaking normally later. I think for lone parents it should be same standarts too, when kid is opposite sex.

[–]lairacunda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That argues more against parenting by males, especially idiot-males, than by same-sex couples. Interestingly enough, there's plenty of evidence that heterosexual males are dangerous and should be nowhere near children. I don't see you worrying about that.

[–]MezozoicGay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I did mentioned male single parents and focused on male gay couples, thought. While yes, main concerns I see is male father/fathers and female kid. Especially if males are straight.

Plus problem with that is not just "idiots", but mostly because there almost no easy accessible info about women healt, women body and women development. Men just have no idea how different women body and growing process to their own, even if they are good intentional and would like to do everything good. And now this "gender theory" ideas that "transwomen body is female too" is only making everything worse, because it spreads lies that "only few hormones is the difference between man and woman". And if previously patriarchy just did not cared about it, nowadays even if someone will try to teach people about women biology, that someone will be treated as world first enemy for being "non inclusive".

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd say in most cases same-sex couples should not be able to adopt unless they prove themselves that they can take care about children.

This is of course impossible to prove—of anyone—since even many straight couples are unable to raise children in an emotionally healthy and safe way. I agree with you though, the concern is whether the child is being brought into a stable home where she is very much wanted, or is just a convenient political tool to prove something.

There are important signals though. I think there is a big difference between a quiet lesbian/gay couple with a child, whose goal is not to be "seen" as something unique and special—and a trans person whose obsession is about being seen, with a child, to prove what a great Mother™ or Father™ they are.

[–]MezozoicGay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with that.

[–]spinningIntelligence 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You can express your opinion, and people pointing out how irrational and homophobic it is does not mean that they are from “wokeistan.”

Firstly, there has been decades of studies showing that same-sex couples raise children who are as healthy (if not more so) as children raised by straight couples. Yet despite your “doubt”, you didn’t bother looking them up yourself. Hmm; why would that be?

Secondly, fuck the studies we don’t need them, because the suspicions on same-sex couples, but not straight ones, is unjustifiable. Why are straight couples exempt from this suspicion, despite the fact that only straight couples can have an UNINTENDED pregnancy? Are you implying that children born to parents who may not want them are more likely to be healthy?

Why are straight couples the default for raising healthy kids if you yourself admit to not knowing whether or not same-sex couples could raise healthier kids? Why are lesbian couples under suspicion when it is men who are most likely to rape abuse and murder their families? Why are women deficient in raising children unless a man is around, despite the fact that women do most of the childcare? Does this doubt extend to single mothers? If women are less able to raise healthy children without a man, then why do so many people resent their step-fathers? Why is “one man and one woman” the default?

Thirdly, the straight community promotes pedophilia all the time: the trans movement is a straight men’s movement, pornography is increasingly sexualizing little girls, and most child sexual abuse is done by men to girls. Yet the LGB is so shameful that you want to get out of it and jump to the straight community?

Homophobia sliding under the radar in the guise of something noble is how we got into this mess. Trans hid their homophobia under a rainbow umbrella, and now people are “fighting back” against trans by tossing bile on the LGB.

I understand being uncomfortable with or hating your sexuality. Truly I do. Here is some reasoning that helped me realize that that was ridiculous:

The only meaningful distinction between a same-sex relationship and a straight one is the potential for UNINTENTED pregnancy. Unless unintended pregnancies have some inherent value that dwarfs all other aspects of a relationship and parenthood, and the lack of this risk is detrimental in some way, there is no reason to value straightness more than lesbianism (or celibacy).

[–]lairacunda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The other difference is that same-sex couples have an inherently level playing field. The class dynamics and differences inherent in heterosexuality are not present.