[Serious] Why can people almost always tell someone's sex?

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[–]fuckingsealions 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

A lot of it is in literal bone structure, apparently.

https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/forensic-facial-reconstruction/0/steps/25656

https://fairplayforwomen.com/biological-sex-differences/

I've been thinking about this a lot lately because this sub introduced me to Jazz Jennings, who I would still nail as a boy/man, despite things like puberty blockers.

[–]Fleursdumal 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree for jazz Jennings. She looks like a prepubescent boy. Same thing for Hunter Schafer. It falls into uncanny valley. I think that even if you never heard about trans and you met them, your brain would tell you that something is wrong

[–]Riothamus 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is anyone even going to feign surprise if the parents of Jazz Jennings and Desmondisamazing end up like Dee Dee Blanchard?

[–]Bitchcraft 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Jazz Jennings, who I would still nail as a boy/man

What gives it away for you? I couldn't tell.

[–]fuckingsealions 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ok this is where I admit it gets tricky and vague. I cannot bring myself to dissect a person with lines and arrows a la Perez Hilton or those plastic surgery sites (and I know you didn't ask for that), but I think there's something in the forehead/brow, and kind of a blockiness overall in the face. https://soapdirt.com/i-am-jazz-spoilers-jazz-jennings-scary-post-surgery-pop-second-operation-needed-asap/

Jazz simply looks like and reminds me of a lot of boys I've known who do present as masculine/male. I see a lot of it in candid photos as opposed to posed pictures.

I'm not trying to slam Jazz's appearance. This is a very feminine-presenting person, and I don't think everyone should get to one side like you're Barbie or Ken. But something pops for me, even in earlier-transitioning youth (like the Sports Illustrated model). It's ok, it is what it is. It's just that subtle thing.

I googled Valentina Sampao last night, and similar issue. Pap photos on the street or runway--looks male. Posed modeling photos--very female. Again it's in the brow and blocky face. A lot of men causally frown in a way that intensifies it and makes them look angrier than a woman intentionally frowning imo because of that heavy brow.

[–]Badmammajamma 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I took a human evolution and biology class in college years ago and we had to identify the sex of human bones. If a skull had brow ridges, it was male. Human men still have those heavier brow ridges.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I know what you mean, I usually see it right around the brow bone too. It's that T section where the bridge of the nose is met between the eyes. When they start having surgery there, they start looking like post-menopausal women that have had a facelift, where it gets weird and sunken in-y (like Jeffrey Star--who isn't trans at all, but just an example).

[–]fuckingsealions 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh interesting! I haven't looked at Starr for years. I really see the comparison to older women who've had a lot of work done.

[–]GCSeedling[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you, this is very helpful!

[–]fuckingsealions 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh good!

[–]crodish 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is what we learn in art school too, when we have to draw women who distinctly look female and men who distinctly look male. There's no shame in drawing nonconforming characters, but there's a reason why the Disney princess line and anime girls do so well in merchandising.

I wonder how facial feminine surgery will play a part in the future, as far as digging up skulls and examining them go. I'm sure they can probably tell surgical work was done, but still.