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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You once again gave no answer and instead made a giant whataboutism and reverted back to chanting TWAW.

Are you able to actually debate with intellectual honesty gb? What is preventing you from giving yes or no answers? What is compelling you to bring out repeated copy+paste points like the j-Lo one, when I and other users have already broken down why they are not refutations of the arguments you use them to respond to.

I can’t tell if it’s unwillingness or inability to follow what’s being said but I just can’t with you gb. It’s like you are always responding to someone or something else, never the point at hand and never real answer.

Yes or no gb, is it morally acceptable for adult human males to say that little girls are kinky and don’t need protection from sexually interested adults because the statement did not get the speaker cancelled on Twitter. It’s got nothing to do with jlo or Elliot page or the laws in your state or the slogans you think need repeating. Yes or no.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Yes or no gb, is it morally acceptable for adult human males to say that little girls are kinky and don’t need protection from sexually interested adults because the statement did not get the speaker cancelled on Twitter.

It's not acceptable for ANYONE to say that, male or female. But that is not the reason we dislike gender critical.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Where are all the transactivists dennouncing Alok Venon and campaigning for him and his supporters to be cancelled? Is not believing that "gender identity" should matter more than sex worse than Venon's views on girls? Why can Venom get away of negative consequences while women have been harrassed both online and irl, doxxed, fired and even be physically assaulted for statating that sex matters?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I am a TRA. I had no idea Alok V Menon said this. When I googled it I found a Quora thread titled Why did non-binary transfeminine activist Alok Vaid-Menon say that little girls can be kinky too?.

One user said Alok was using the original definition of the word kinky meaning weird. But transphobes spun it to make it look like all trans femmes are pedophiles. r/NonBinaryTalk users gave similar answers. https://www.reddit.com/r/NonBinaryTalk/comments/qzr5bq/alok_vaidmenon_controversy/

Here are some interesting comments:

Alok was not saying that little girls actually want to have sex with adult trans people or whatever twisted view bigots have spun it as. They were saying that extreme archetypes of any person are inherently harmful to those people. The perfect little white angel girl doesn't exist because little girls are human, too: let them be human. Let them explore who they are and become the people they want to be.

I don't know, it's complicated. I don't think that Alok's remarks indicate that they are a pedophile. However, I DO think that what Alok said was insensitive, at best. I think that Alok had a serious point that they were making about questioning dominant narratives concerning pure victims and evil perpetrators. I think that they way that they expressed this point was extremely problematic.

Aimee Challenor was cancelled. She enraged millions. Popular subredditts like r/music went private. Reddit hiring her was a bad fuck up for reddit. r/MTF condemned her.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/mcua76/announcement_regarding_the_recent_situation/

It's unclear if she's a pedophile herself but she supported her pedophile father and that is enough to make her an awful person.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So, you first instict was to think Alok's words were unnaceptable but after reading what the official narrative was about him, you now say he was just misunderstood? Please read the full phrase and tell me whether you think there was a sexual meaning intended or not? Do you think this is a reasonable thing to say to challenge fears of girls being sexually abused in public restrooms?

https://uploads.ovarit.com/d251c4c6-12af-565e-9bc3-1700bba684a8.png

And are we sure Aimee Challenor is really gone from reddit? I mean that guy seems to be the kind that falls upwards. Before reddit he was a member of two political parties.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So TRA are supporting and protecting the man who said little girls are kinky. Providing wishy washy excuses that don’t quite cover what was originally said.

And this is good according to you?

He was maybe not talking about sexual assault even though the entire quote mentions a fear that someone like him will abuse a little girl? Doubtful.

Gb, can you visually detect that Amy challenor and his dad are pedophiles? Is there any way to tell, at a glance, whether or not they will harm you or a child if they feel the opportunity arises?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Alok V Menon isn't a man. The reason they weren't cancelled is because Alok likely meant the word "kinky" in the sense of " relating to, having, or appealing to unconventional tastes". I do agree the comment is in poor taste. Biden called baseball player Satchel Paige a "great negro" and yes it was racist and I do wish there was outrage but it's not worth cancelling.

Aimee Challenor is a she and she was cancelled for supporting her pedophile dad. It's unclear if she molested children herself but she supports people who do.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You cannot police my speech and force me to participate in the erasure of sex gb. Give it a fuckin rest, for once in your life lol.

Do you really think that “adult human females are women” is a worse thing to say than “little girls are kinky and you shouldn’t think they are pure, as in non-sexual” ?

Really? Where else is the word kinky used to describe being non comformative? Eclectic taste is not kink.

If Aimee was cancelled why were hundreds of Reddit accounts banned for calling him out? Why was he able to moderate the teenagers subreddit under a different account? Why did admins and mods move to protect Amy until they were forced to admit his role in his fathers crimes?

Why was someone who interacts with and defends a known pedophile ever allowed to moderate an online space for teenagers in the first place?

Gb, is being cancelled by the internet how we as a society decide what is and isn’t morally acceptable? Is it really how you decide whether someone is good or not?

It seems as though you are trying to claim that if someone is not cancelled, they have not done anything wrong, and that people who are cancelled are irredeemable and wrong. It’s extremely unwise to base your opinions and core values on popular media trends.

I see you have yet again decided to not answer a question asked and instead brought up Biden for some reason. Can you please answer me instead of introducing distractions that bear no relevance.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So being cancelled isn’t as meaningful as you previously tried to imply, is it?

Dislike by a group that is misinformed or ignorant of the issue doesn’t really matter when we are talking about rapists and pedophiles, I think even you can see that.

Even you can see the difference between them not liking us and them saying “little girls are kinky af and you should let adult human males interact sexually with them”

Now if being cancelled is not actually the guide to what’s morally correct, why bring it up?
Do you think what’s popular or trendy is the morally right choice?