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[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (71 children)

So you admit you are fine with sending trans women to be rape toys for men?

That is not what she said at all. I suggest you don't throw baseless acussations like this, particularly NOT when talking about rape. You don't have a good track record on this topic.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (70 children)

She literally said. “That’s for you to sort you amongst yourselves”. In what way is that distinct from “I’m fine with this happening”?

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (69 children)

Women cannot solve male on male violence. If you didn't notice, men don't listen when women speak up about male on female violence. I don't know why you think men would act different if women speaked up against male on male violence. We're also not the ones telling men to abuse you.

Also, it's absurd males who identify as trans males expect us to solve all your problems with male violence when you don't do anything about violence against women. In fact many of said males commit violence against women, advocate for policies that will hurt women or pretend this doesn't happen.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (68 children)

Women cannot solve male on male violence. If you didn't notice, men don't listen when women speak up about male on female violence. I don't know why you think men would act different if women speaked up against male on male violence.

You have a better chance than we do.

And you aren’t saying “hurt them” but you are saying to treat us like men and lock us up with men. That’s not much of a distinction.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (48 children)

Women are not responsible for male-on-male violence. So stop blaming us, and stop telling me that sorting out all the male-on-male violence in the world is women's job. And stop telling us that unless women promise to solve the problem of male-on-male violence for you, girls and women as a class must be punished for it by giving up our own safety, dignity and privacy by opening up all our spaces to predatory males.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (47 children)

Then stop pushing for policies that get violence done to us?

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (46 children)

Show me where I have ever pushed "for policies that get violence done to" anyone.

Again, stop blaming women for male violence. Males who are violent are not reading and listening to feminists like me. Your constant blaming of women for what men do is pure misogyny.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (45 children)

You are actively pushing for us to be treated like men in all respect. The direct result of that is us being stuck with men and subjected to their violence. It’s a direct causal link. Just because it isn’t your fist doesn’t mean you aren’t cheering on the cause of it landing.

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (44 children)

The irony is completely lost on you...

And stop with the baseless acussations. This is my last warning.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (43 children)

There’s nothing baseless about this. “You should go to male prisons and have to use male facilities” if enacted as a policy would lead to trans women being harmed. You can’t possibly deny that.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What are you doing to make sure Flint has water? What are you doing to make sure the children of illegal immigrants who have been separated from their parents are being taken care of and returned to their families? Are you sponsoring the people in other countries who need food and shelter? Are you making sure that victims of domestic violence have safe spaces? Are you making sure that homeless people allover find shelter?

Or do you understand that it’s not your job to save the world?

Women understand that it’s not our job to save TW. You need to understand that too.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What are you doing to make sure Flint has water? What are you doing to make sure the children of illegal immigrants who have been separated from their parents are being taken care of and returned to their families? Are you sponsoring the people in other countries who need food and shelter?

No but I’m Also not advocating for their situation to be worse.

As to the shelters, I donate when I can and Work with the local food bank but not more than that.

If you aren’t willing to help them stop arguing for policies that hurt us.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Women are advocating for themselves. If advocating for what women need has a negative effect on people who aren’t women who invaded their safe spaces and disrupted their rights that’s not our fault. It’s the fault of the people who invaded our spaces and disrupted our rights.

We aren’t arguing for or about You AT ALL. We are advocating for ourselves.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You are arguing for policies that hurt us. The acting like any harm is our responsibility.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Im arguing for women and girls to have their spaces, langauge and rights not disrupted by people who are not women and girls. You don’t even come into my argument lmao

The consequences for you from women having the spaces and rights you stole from them given back to them would absolutely be your responsibility. You invaded spaces and forced yourself where you were meant not to be. That’s on you, not us.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My argument is simply that female spaces, rights, sports, etc are meant for females and should always remain specifically and solely for biologically female humans.

Please show me where I mention or involve tw?????

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I literally told you I'm not against third spaces, but whatever.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

But you also are actively against doing anything in furtherance of them while trying to push us out of women’s spaces. Realistically there’s no functional distance.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm not against anyone advocating for third spaces...

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

But also aren’t going to do anything in furtherance of them.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Did you make sure women and girls had alternative safe spaces when you nullified their safe spaces?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I’m fine sharing. And pose no threat.

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why should I do so?