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Meta: Moderation and the rules

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (59 children)

Since this is a post not a message to the mods, I assume anyone can comment and I personally think BiR is a great mod.

She hasn’t said anything that isn’t factually accurate and I think even if this were actually wrong, it’s not enough to remove her.

People break rules here all the time. They get second and third and hundredth chances.

Sometimes people don’t break rules but say incredibly offensive things and we let it go and move on (example- idk… telling rape victims they should tend to any wounds they give their rapists if they have to defend themselves comes to mind…).

We have two actually consistently active mods. It’s odd you’d jump to remove one of them instead of attempting to have the issue addressed and resolved in a more reasonable way first.

This could have and should have been a private conversation with the mod team.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If she weren’t a mod I would have simply reported it and moved on but a “private conversation with the mod team” a) isn’t facilitated because there isn’t a group chat function here and I sure as hell am not giving anyone here my personal info and b) largely made impractical by the fact she is on the mod team. Watever insults you want to throw at me doesn’t change that mods should follow and enforce the rules. Otherwise moderation and rules are meaningless.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We had a racist on this sub who made really fucked up comments and I very easily privately messaged the mods and it was dealt with within a few hours.

You got suspended after someone privately messaged the mods.

Like I said, even if she were wrong, it doesn’t make sense to get rid of one of the two active mods we have because she lost her patience once.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We have mod mail, you know? Or if you didn't want me to participate in the conversation, you could have sent an individual message to the other mods. I still don't know how making a meta topic for removing me gives you more advantage. I can see the whole conversation here and the other mods are the ones who have the power to remove me or not.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (55 children)

telling rape victims they should tend to any wounds they give their rapists if they have to defend themselves comes to mind

What? When did it happen?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (47 children)

Months and months ago now. Essentially, masks told me that I am barely human/cruel/morally a failure/a bad person because I did not assist a rapist whose nose I broke and because if in the situation again, I would still maim the rapist and not help. Escaping an attacker you manage to injure is a moral failing of women and they are barely human if they don’t stop to offer aid after kicking a man who forced his penis into her body, in the nuts. He never apologised or admitted this is a disgusting display of hatred for women and resounding support for rapists to be protected from consequences of their choice to be a rapist. He has made zero effort to apologise for deliberately dehumanising me and victim blaming me. In fact he doubled down. And will likely throw a tantrum over my use of the term ‘he’.

The audacity and misogyny it takes to make this thread after he has done that is fucking infinite.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jesus Christ, I thought this thread was ridicoulous because I know how big of a theatrics-enthusiast performer mask is. But this comment you just wrote puts a completely different level of disgusting hypochrisy on the situation.

I really have no word to describe just how violently disgusted I am by the idea that there are people who think that rape victims have any obligation towards their rapists. Or that they need to put themselves even in potential more danger because the poor souls need help.

And here I thought that forcing female rape victims to call their trans rapist "she" was bad: this is even worse. Ugh.

But yeah, of course, dehumanization is only something important when it' s done to the "right" people and for the "right" reasons. Calling out a rape victim for trying to save herself from her rapist, on the other hand, is perfectly fine.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (45 children)

That’s not what I said.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (44 children)

Really masks? Go pull up the quotes.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (43 children)

Go ahead. Show everyone how I very much didn’t say that.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (42 children)

Fine I’ll end with this. It’s not about rape it’s about people. If you could let someone bleed out without calling 911, I fundamentally can’t understand your lack of respect for life.

You fundamentally cannot understand my lack of respect for someone who’s lack of respect led them to R A P I N G me. You put my morals on trial out of everyone’s in that situations and you think that’s normal or okay?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I still don’t understand it but that doesn’t mean I am saying you are wrong or blameworthy.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It means that you are so incapable of empathising with a woman that you questioned her morals when there was a rapist. The morals you found objectionable enough to argue about were the morals of the raped woman.

It implies that I am precisely wrong and blameworthy, and reprehensible for not performing what you perceive as a moral duty.

You are so incapable of empathising with a woman that you enforced your moral framework onto how she escaped a rape to say she did not perform her duty. And you’re still doing it.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

So if a "cis" man raped you, and he ended up hurt in your attempt to get away from him, you would stay there even if he could hurt you more because helping an injured rapist out is more ethical than saving yourself?

How about those "cis" men you keep saying that assaulted you in restrooms: would you feel any duty to help them if, in an attempt to save yourself, you had managed to hurt them?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Me personally? Yes. But I realize that’s an unreasonable standard and wouldn’t demand anyone else do the same.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This was a while back, I can’t remember exactly what post but I’ll see if I can find it

[–]circlingmyownvoid2[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

That’s a gross mischaracterization of what I said. But I am afraid if I clarify that will ban me again.

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That was what you said. Now drop the subject.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No. That was not what I said. I’m not rehashing the conversation but I’m not going to just ignore such an outright lie.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What thread was it, then? So that I can read it by myself, hoping the comment wasn' t deleted or changed in the meantime.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Here is where it begins.

The deleted account is circling and Catbug is Houseplant.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then yes, that' s exactly what mask said. That it' s a rape victim' s duty to help her rapist if she manage to hurt him while trying to escape.

I can' t even begin to try to understand that logic.

Thanks for the link. And wow for that entire convo, really.

The only feeling I would have if I managed to stab my rapist in an attempt to run away would be satisfaction. I wouldn' t give a lesser fuck about "ameliorating" his pain. Let the asshole suffer as much as possible.