All: Disclosure and Consent

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[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (85 children)

Okay then save time and say you’re only interested in guys with dicks that match whatever your preferences are.

[–]worried19 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (84 children)

So you are saying I have to announce it. I've got a partner anyway, so I hope I'll never have to deal with the dating scene, but I can't imagine needing to specify. Plus if I did write "I only want to date men with dicks" on a dating profile, I'd be accused of bigotry. You really can't win with some of the QT crowd.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (83 children)

I mean your preferences being honored doesn’t mean people won’t judge you.

[–]worried19 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (82 children)

So I'm basically a bigot who deserves to be judged for not wanting to sexually interact with vaginas?

I'm not attracted to vaginas. I don't want to have sex with someone who has a vagina. I want a man who has a working penis with testicles and that is able to get erect and is able to ejaculate semen. That's a core part of my sexuality right there. Why should I be shamed for that? I'd not saying trans men are bad people. I just don't want to fuck them.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Conversion “therapy” but make it woke.

[–]worried19 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And then QT wonders why people call them "rapey." It's because of stuff like this. Even if I say I like trans men and consider trans men to be men, it's not good enough. I have to be willing to have sex with them.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep! It’s seriously disturbing. You can say qt slogans all day long but the second you have a hint of a boundary, you’re cast out and a devil. Doesn’t matter how much you kowtowed before.

It’s why I don’t see any point giving a middle ground. You can’t negotiate with people who only want to dominate.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 8 fun5 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

No, you just need to tell every date "that you expect a man that you're interested in to have a penis of a certain type" and describe your penis "preferences." Like any good ally.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (77 children)

A) Not all transmen have front holes

B) If you were with a cis man who lost his dick do you think people wouldn’t judge you for leaving him?

[–]BiologyIsReal 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Females, however they identify, don't have "front holes". They have vaginas. Also, "front hole" is anatomically inaccurated too because the vagina is between the uretra an the anus.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (24 children)

Literally semantics

[–]BiologyIsReal 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

It's not semantics, it's anatomy.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (22 children)

Its a preference for one term over another when both refer to the same things. Semantics

[–]BiologyIsReal 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Oh, do you mean like how trans identified people don't want to be refered by their sex? You and others think that being called a "man" is an unforgivable sin despite that for most people is a neutral term. Yet calling a vagina a "front hole" despite how dehumanizing and anatomically inaccurated it is is all fine and dandy.

[–]worried19 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Virtually all trans men have normal, unaltered vaginas. Bottom surgery of any type is incredibly rare.

If you were with a cis man who lost his dick do you think people wouldn’t judge you for leaving him?

Leaving an established partner, maybe. Not dating him in the first place, definitely not.

If I may ask, what is your sexual orientation?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (49 children)

Front hole is the most disgusting, demeaning term for a vagina since ‘cunt’. Don’t speak about women’s bodies like that, please. Women are human beings. Our organs have names, not crass and dehumanising descriptors.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (48 children)

A) Vagina aka “sheath” is worse

B) Front hole is most commonly used by trans men not women

C) You have no control over how other people refer to their bodies

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

A)You’re breaking your own point c. B)that doesn’t change the fact that it’s disgusting and demeaning. Incels use that term for gods sake. C) you’re referring to women’s bodies, which includes mine.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

A) How?

B) Subjective. The people who use it to refer to their own anatomy presumably don’t feel that way

C) Nope Im referring to trans mens bodies not any women’s bodies

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

By saying the preferred term of a woman is wrong and front hole is better. You’re telling me, a person who has a vagina, that my preferred term is bad and ignoring my point that it’s offensive.

Them referring to their own anatomy is different to you using it as a general term for a vagina as you did.

Semantics. You are describing female bodies with misogynistic terms. Would you find it acceptable if your penis was referred to as your cum tube?

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (41 children)

Honestly, I've thinking about it and I'll not allow the use of "front hole" anymore. Refering to genitals in derogatory ways is against the rules and I think "front hole" qualify as such. And you're not even a "trans man", to use it anyway.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (19 children)

I think both sides should be able to use their vocabularies, provided it's not done antagonistically. If someone can't handle "front hole" or "trans-identified male" or even "TERF" in the general then why debate? We just shouldn't be able use these words against another user specifically. But this is the lexicon of gender identity and people passing through here should see both sides presented in their truest forms.

[–]worried19 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

I agree. "Front hole" is a commonly accepted trans term. It's not comparable to using a slur against trans people's anatomy.

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You say this like is only QT who are conditioned in what language they can use here when, in fact, GC have to walk in eggshells so as not to "misgender" any trans user here. And, sorry but calling vaginas "front hole" is far worse than calling a man a man. I cannot believe this term don't come from misogyny. Trans identified males get to call their penises as "girldick" or "female" penis, but trans identified females get instead this word for them? QT can deny this all they want, but everyone knows that trans identified females are still treated as women in their own movement.

If you want to see both sides represented in their truest form, then why don't we stop worrying about "misgendering" the trans users here? If QT want to use this term so much, then why can't GC use "fuckhole"? QT have all the rest of the internet to use derogatory words for the female body, they should be able to handle being told "no" for once.

Edit: grammar

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (20 children)

And they wonder why they don’t have many QT posters 🙄

But do as thou wilt your majesty.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There are few transsexuals and cross-dressers here, and they are fine with the rules. Why it is only QT side that insist to call women (and only women) by their body parts and to re-name female body parts to something else? Would it be fine for you to be called "prostate owner" or "inversed penis haver"?